DmC Sales 'solid'

[CheeseKao]

And how suddenly a word from Capcom turned out to be "cold hard facts"?

Says no one. DmC's sales are 'solid' and that is how Capcom sees it. It's all a matter of perspective. I've already expressed my confusion as to whether or not those solid sales are relative to the forecast number or is it a general statement.

This whole topic was based in that piece of information. Plus, this kinda contradicts what they have said a little while ago, they've blamed "excessive outsorcing" for their bad situation in the market.

How does it contradict that statement when their net profit decreased by 55.8%?

 

[VineBigBoss]

You're gonna have to elaborate on that because I don't know what you're talking about.


How does it contradict that statement when their net profit decreased by 55.8%?

Capcom said that "DmC sellings is solid" and this is not a fact per se. And you said that we only should discuss facts here.

Contradicts in the way that DmC was one of the outsourced titles, and all of a sudden the sellings were stated as "solid". This not even makes sense comparing with the sellings with the older entries, i think that a "solid" selling would at least be on par in sellings with the direct predecessor (DMC4), or as someone already said here: at least they have recovered the money they've used to make the game. I think the second assumption makes more sense.

 

[CheeseKao]

Capcom said that "DmC sellings is solid" and this is not a fact per se. And you said that we only should discuss facts here.

I've already edited my previous post.

Contradicts in the way that DmC was one of the outsourced titles, and all of a sudden the sellings were stated as "solid". This not even makes sense comparing with the sellings with the older entries, i think that a "solid" selling would at least be on par in sellings with the direct predecessor (DMC4), or as someone already said here: at least they have recovered the money they've used to make the game. I think the second assumption makes more sense.

It could be that they just did not make as much money as they expected to with their outsourced titles. While their profits did drop like a rock, they did not incur any losses. Besides, DmC isn't their only outsourced title so perhaps it could be an exception.

 

[VineBigBoss]

I've already edited my previous post.


It could be that they just did not make as much money as they expected to with their outsourced titles. While their profits did drop like a rock, they did not incur any losses. Besides, DmC isn't their only outsourced title so perhaps it could be an exception.

I've not seen anything different there. But lets just keep going with the debate.

It could explain it, for sure. You know what the other titles were? We could search for some information about sellings of this other outsourced titles and see if we can conclude something for there.

 

[CheeseKao]

I've not seen anything different there. But lets just keep going with the debate.

I never said that DmC's sales being solid was a fact so your statement "Capcom said that "DmC sellings is solid" and this is not a fact per se. And you said that we only should discuss facts here." does not apply to me.

It could explain it, for sure. You know what the other titles were? We could search for some information about sellings of this other outsourced titles and see if we can conclude something for there.

There was RE: Operation Racoon City which seems to have sold quite well actually despite it getting bad reviews all over the place. Then there's DmC. You know, now that I look at it, they only had two major games outsourced to western devs since 2011. There's the upcoming Lost Planet 3 but that hasn't been released yet. 2 games isn't exactly excessive so I really don't know what games Capcom are referring to. There was DarkVoid which was released in 2010 but that was a long time ago.

 

[Kam]

You're forgetting about how much the internet has grown and how easy it is to obtain information in this day and age. Furthermore, the game industry(at least in NA) has been on a decline for the past few years and that could also have atrributed to DmC not selling as much.

that would explain a low sales number, but not an older game outselling its younger predecessors. Not in total, and not in the past, but as of right now more HD collections are being sold than copies of DmC. Of course its lower price is probably contributing to that, but all capcom is going to see is way lower sales figures on their new game and way higher sales figures for a much older game.

It doesn't here because he's not talking about the the previous games.

You literally cannot determine the success of a reboot if you ignore how it compares to the original, because comparing the two is the only meaningful metric. If a reboot only sells 10 copies, but the original only sold 1, it's more successful. Inversely, if the reboot sells 1.1 million copies, but each of the classics sold between 1.5 million and 3 million in the same span of time, it's a failed reboot.
He knows this, which is why he refuses to acknowledge that the new DmC is being outsold by classic DmC. He's cherrypicking which sources of information he'll listen to based on what he wants to be true.

 

[Stylish Nero]

I really want to have an interesting discussion with you guys and post long winded posts/essays but I have carpel tunnel in my right hand (the hand I do 75% of my activities with).....so I'll have to take easy for a while and type with my left hand.

see it took me 3 mins to type that.

 

[CheeseKao]

that would explain a low sales number, but not an older game outselling its younger predecessors. Not in total, and not in the past, but as of right now more HD collections are being sold than copies of DmC.

You're gonna need more than just Amazon to validate your statement.

 

[Kam]

You're gonna need more than just Amazon to validate your statement.

luckily for you I provided amazon, capcom, famitsu, and a uk retailer.
How about you? You're going to need more than just zero sources to validate your contradicting statement.

 

[VineBigBoss]

You're gonna need more than just Amazon to validate your statement.

According to data on VGChartz it seems to be true.

DMC HD Collection
DmC

Still, i've already seem conflicting data on how much DmC selled but i can't remeber exactly where. Still i think most of the sources are nearly around the real value (less or more).

 

[CheeseKao]

luckily for you I provided amazon, capcom, famitsu, and a uk retailer.
How about you? You're going to need more than just zero sources to valid your contradicting statement.

Allow me to quote you.

that would explain a low sales number, but not an older game outselling its younger predecessors. Not in total, and not in the past, but as of right now more HD collections are being sold than copies of DmC.

You only cited Amazon for the HD collection and a single UK retailer for DMC4 so how about you learn you read your own post before trying to get smart with me.

 

[Marionette Cherry]

Because Capcom totally said that.

Thread title you silly goose.
They sound happy with the sales, aren't you happy? There might be a DmC2 after all.

 

[Kam]

Allow me to quote you.

You only cited Amazon for the HD collection and a single UK retailer for DMC4 so how about you learn you read your own post before trying to get smart with me.

Allow me to quote myself

How about you? You're going to need more than just zero sources to validate your contradicting statement.

so how about you learn to read your own post (and the post it's quoting) before trying to get smart with me

But let's jump back to the main topic (while you prepare your sources and/or a snappy comeback on why you are exempt from needing to provide them) DmC sold horribly below expectations. The initial projected sales were based on DmC topping DMC4's sales, which cleared 2 million in the first 2 weeks. Meanwhile DmC is now celebrating hitting 1.1 million after several months being on the shelves.

When they dropped their projections to only 2 million, that is a quarter of the sales of DMC4, in the same span of time. Can you imagine how mad they were when they had to halve that number a second time? Capcom is very far from happy, going as far as blaming "western outsourcing" for capcom's recent drop in quality, specifically naming games like resident evil 6 and DmC.

TL;DR
projections were based on the sales of the original titles, but they were so far undershot capcom is announcing blame to the press and calling out games by name. This is not the mark of a successful reboot, not in their eyes, at least.

 

[CheeseKao]

Allow me to quote myself
so how about you learn to read your own post (and the post it's quoting) before trying to get smart with me

I'm not trying to prove a point so I don't have to. I never said that DMC4 and DMCHDC are outselling DmC nor did I say that DmC is outselling DMC4 and DMCHDC. It's your fault for seeing a point I have never made.

But let's jump back to the main topic (while you prepare your sources and/or a snappy comeback on why you are exempt from needing to provide them) DmC sold horribly below expectations. The initial projected sales were based on DmC topping DMC4's sales, which cleared 2 million in the first 2 weeks. Meanwhile DmC is now celebrating hitting 1.1 million after several months being on the shelves.

First of all, Motohide Eshiro never said that he wanted to sell 4-5million as proven by the link below.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-09-22-dmc-devil-may-cry-interview
Motohide Eshiro: Well, taking Devil May Cry 4 as an example, including the PC versions we sold 2.7 million of that particular game, but we looked at the market and saw that there were other action games selling four million, five million, all these copies.
One of our goals for this game is to create something new and fresh that keeps the old fans but also catches new people, so that we can increase our overall appeal, our sales and our audience.

Can you imagine how mad they were when they had to halve that number a second time? Capcom is very far from happy, going as far as blaming "western outsourcing" for capcom's recent drop in quality, specifically naming games like resident evil 6 and DmC.

TL;DR
projections were based on the sales of the original titles, but they were so far undershot capcom is announcing blame to the press and calling out games by name. This is not the mark of a successful reboot, not in their eyes, at least.

Lastly, the other parts of your post are irrelevant to me because I never argued with you about this topic.

Thread title you silly goose.
They sound happy with the sales, aren't you happy? There might be a DmC2 after all.

I was also joking you little brown Pomeranian.

 

[Kam]

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...and all of this somehow undoes the fact that aiming for a quarter of DMC4's sales was too high of a goal for DmC? The sales were awful. Decent on their own terms, but compared to its predecessors, it sold like ****. For a reboot, selling more than what it is you're rebooting is kind of a big deal, but if you still don't see how the two are related, we've got nothing left to talk about.

Because when you put the two figures side by side, the numbers say capcom should fire ninja theory and scrap "nephalim dante" in favor of the originals. Please let me know if you still don't see why classic DMC sales are relevant to this discussion

 

[CheeseKao]

...and all of this somehow undoes the fact that aiming for a quarter of DMC4's sales was too high of a goal for DmC? The sales were awful. Decent on their own terms, but compared to its predecessors, it sold like ****. For a reboot, selling more than what it is you're rebooting is kind of a big deal, but if you still don't see how the two are related, we've got nothing left to talk about.

Because when you put the two figures side by side, the numbers say capcom should fire ninja theory and scrap "nephalim dante" in favor of the originals. Please let me know if you still don't see why classic DMC sales are relevant to this discussion

Look at the link I posted in my previous post. Motohide said that DMC4 sold 2.7 million and that article was written in 2010. Capcom expected 2million sales for DmC. 2 million is 74.1% of 2.7 million. Do the math.

Also, I never said that DMC sales are irrelevant to this discussion. Your argument is what that is irrelevant to me because I know fully well how DmC sold less than DMC despite them wanting to appeal to a wider audience and the whole situation behind it.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to prove that DMCHD is overall outselling DmC. Don't try to wiggle your way out of it.

 

[DisappointedSparda]

5 million was never an official projection for the game. The only projection was 2 million and then it got revised to 1.5 i believe or 1.2, not sure, one of those two. Motohiro Eshiro is not a market analyst, he's the guy that mentioned the 5 million thing remark. Anyone who has a bone to pick with this game is using that old Eurogamer article that's pretty much been invalid for a year because Capcom have released, long ago, the official projections on what they expected this game to sell.

Whatever it may be, Capcom said its solid, what ever that means. In their eyes its neither good nor bad.

 

[CheeseKao]

5 million was never an official projection for the game. The only projection was 2 million and then it got revised to 1.5 i believe or 1.2, not sure, one of those two. Motohiro Eshiro is not a market analyst, he's the guy that mentioned the 5 million thing remark. Anyone who has a bone to pick with this game is using that old Eurogamer article that's pretty much been invalid for a year because Capcom have released, long ago, the official projections on what they expected this game to sell.

Whatever it may be, Capcom said its solid, what ever that means. In their eyes its neither good nor bad.

I'll give you an internet thumbs up.

There was never a 5 million projection in the first place. Some guy probably decided to put a spin on his statement for whatever reason.

 

[DisappointedSparda]

I'll give you an internet thumbs up.

There was never a 5 million projection in the first place. Some guy probably decided to put a spin on his statement for whatever reason.

That and some people think that a Producer is in charge of analyzing the market like say Michael Pachter, which is not true. Pachter's field is in analyzing the market and telling investors on what sales and what realistic or potential profit they might get from a particular genre of a game. A Producer's job is to get the development team, promote the game and not make the development team go over budget, and a catalyst between the development team and the executives. I'm sure there's more to it then that but market analyst is not one of them.

 

[Kam]

Look at the link I posted in my previous post. Motohide said that DMC4 sold 2.7 million and that article was written in 2010. Capcom expected 2million sales for DmC. 2 million is 74.1% of 2.7 million. Do the math.

Also, I never said that DMC sales are irrelevant to this discussion. Your argument is what that is irrelevant to me because I know fully well how DmC sold less than DMC despite them wanting to appeal to a wider audience and the whole situation behind it.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to prove that DMCHD is overall outselling DmC. Don't try to wiggle your way out of it.

I don't recall this source or this source somehow becoming invalid sources of information.

I'm still waiting for you to post some sources that say differently. Don't try to wiggle your way out of it.