Why the Nero hate?
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LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
Nero's Profile
An orphan that was adopted by the Order of the Sword, he has grown up to be a Holy Knight in the Order in the city of Fortuna. Nero is a descendant of Sparda’s blood – although it is not yet known if he is a direct relation to Dante and Vergil - hence his right arm and the powers of the “Devil Bringer.” He tends to not get along well with others and prefers to work alone, so he is usually given the Order's "special assignments".
From this we know one thing about Nero. He was an orphan raised by the Order of the Sword. Was he taken simply because they needed soldiers or did they know something/expect something about him? Nero is similar to Dante and Vergil in the general trait that they like to work alone. Dante was working alone in Devil May Cry 3, until he met Lady. Vergil was not working alone, but it seemed he needed to use Arkham (So it was simply a case of using him for his own personal gain) it had nothing to do with wanting to work with him. However, out of the two who would more than likely prefer to work alone would be Vergil. The Order must of adopted him for other means, as how would Sanctus know so much about Nero? We know one of the Order's key goals was to learn more about 'demons' and the way in which they work. The idea that Nero was a 'test subject' is not an impossible one. We know that the Order were conducting experiments all the time. Perhaps they were trying to craft a great warrior? Nero may of been the subject all along. A secret project worked on by Sanctus. It's not so far fetched as it may sound. The Order had already recovered Yamato, which was a significant recovery in itself. Because the last time Yamato was seen was on Mallet Island, when Dante 'defeated' (Not killed, it was never stated that way) Vergil. And we all know that Mallet Island collapsed in on itself after Mundus was sent back to the Underworld by Dante. So how did the Order gain Yamato?
It's true that colours play a part in a character's design. They hold some minor signifance. Dante wears mainly red, Vergil wears blue and Sparda wore purple. As for Nero -
'He wears a red zip-up hoodie underneath his coat, and a navy blue muscle-shirt beneath that'. Strange, Nero seems to wear all three colours. He wears something purple, red and blue. What is the means to wear all these three colours? What are Capcom hinting at? That Nero is all three roled into one?
Also I keep seeing this main point made regarding Nero. The point is, he is a 'descendant' of Sparda's blood'. However, the word descendant actually doesn't mean what we're associating for Nero's case. How are we to know which meaning Capcom were using when Sanctus stated Nero was a descendant?
Define Descendant
1. A person, animal, or plant whose descent can be traced to a particular individual or group.
2. Something derived from a prototype or earlier form: Today's bicycles are descendants of the earlier velocipede.
3. In astrology, the point of the ecliptic or the sign of the zodiac that sets in the west at the time of a person's birth or other event.
Define Descendent
1. Moving downward; descending.
2. Proceeding by descent from an ancestor.
In current English, however, descendant usually covers descendent‘s territory as well as its own. In fact, correct use of descendent according to its conventional sense is so rare that we should probably consider it a dead word. It may have been useful in the past, but people apparently don’t find it useful today.
Sorry for the history lessons on these words. But we have to understand which way of using these words they were going for in this sense. Otherwise we could look into other understandings of Nero's character.
If Nero is a 'descendant' in the sense that he is derived from a prototype or an earlier form, that means he received his powers via a previous source. Considering the great likeness surounding Nero and Vergil, I would assume this could mean that Nero is a 'descendant' in the terms that he recieved his powers from a source relating to Vergil. If so I would deduce that Nero was not born with these physical traits (The blue eyes and the white hair). I would assume that those traits were 'inherited' from that source mentioned. When he received this power from the 'source' he underwent a physical change of appearance in terms that he gained his demonic look. Sanctus may state that Nero is a 'descendant' of Sparda. But Vergil is Sparda's son, therefore holds Sparda's blood and power. If Nero was a 'descendant' in terms that he 'inherited' his powers via means of a source relating to Vergil, that would in conclusion mean the same thing. That does not have to mean that Nero is directly a part of Sparda's family or that he had to be born with his blood. The word inherited has different meanings. We can't just look at one meaning for that word. If we observe other meanings, what I'm saying can be said to be possibly true also.
Define Inherited
1. To gain (something) as one's right or portion. To receive (property or a title, for example) from an ancestor by legal succession or will.
2. To receive by bequest or as a legacy.
3. To receive or take over from a predecessor.
4. To receive (a characteristic) from one's parents by genetic transmission.
Sanctus could of been claiming that Nero truly has 'inherited' (As in it's his right to receive) Sparda's power. That does not necessarily mean it had to be handed down to him through birth of by legacy.
This is also a likely possibility that Nero could of changed from human to demon considering the valid points that humans have altered themselves into demons before (Or humans with such physical appearances and powers) of demons. Examples are Sanctus himself and Arius in Devil May Cry 2. Therefore, Nero being another human turned demon is not an impossible theory.
Nero's connection to Yamato could only be due to the fact that his original source of power came from Vergil. Ultimately then we could assume that Nero may not have a Devil Trigger, because he in fact is not a devil. If Nero were born human and altered by any form of experiment, we do not know the exact extent of such a thing. To me though logically, I feel that this could be a reason as to why he has no Devil Trigger. The Devil Bringer could of been a result of the experiment going wrong in terms of the physical alteration. However, it could of been the result of it going right (Enhancing his human form to a more demonic form) Why else does Nero have an arm that looks demonic and holds demonic power at all times, whereas Dante's arm only looks human in appearance? Perhaps this change has not spread throughout Nero's body yet, and he will in turn alter into a full demon (Perhaps by too much power input into him or because he is trying to control something that is beyond his control). When Arkham tried to control Sparda's power it rejected him because he was too weak and it altered him into a demonic blob (Clearly not meant to represent Sparda's true power or form). The point being, it essentially backfired on him. We don't even know what Nero could be changing into. It could be a possitive or a negative outcome, really.
These are just some ideas I am throwing around from what I have read and came to judge for myself. As interesting as every idea seems to be, the one thing that seems to logically fit for me and make any form of sense would be Nero belonging to the Order of the Sword out of means of experimentation.
An orphan that was adopted by the Order of the Sword, he has grown up to be a Holy Knight in the Order in the city of Fortuna. Nero is a descendant of Sparda’s blood – although it is not yet known if he is a direct relation to Dante and Vergil - hence his right arm and the powers of the “Devil Bringer.” He tends to not get along well with others and prefers to work alone, so he is usually given the Order's "special assignments".
From this we know one thing about Nero. He was an orphan raised by the Order of the Sword. Was he taken simply because they needed soldiers or did they know something/expect something about him? Nero is similar to Dante and Vergil in the general trait that they like to work alone. Dante was working alone in Devil May Cry 3, until he met Lady. Vergil was not working alone, but it seemed he needed to use Arkham (So it was simply a case of using him for his own personal gain) it had nothing to do with wanting to work with him. However, out of the two who would more than likely prefer to work alone would be Vergil. The Order must of adopted him for other means, as how would Sanctus know so much about Nero? We know one of the Order's key goals was to learn more about 'demons' and the way in which they work. The idea that Nero was a 'test subject' is not an impossible one. We know that the Order were conducting experiments all the time. Perhaps they were trying to craft a great warrior? Nero may of been the subject all along. A secret project worked on by Sanctus. It's not so far fetched as it may sound. The Order had already recovered Yamato, which was a significant recovery in itself. Because the last time Yamato was seen was on Mallet Island, when Dante 'defeated' (Not killed, it was never stated that way) Vergil. And we all know that Mallet Island collapsed in on itself after Mundus was sent back to the Underworld by Dante. So how did the Order gain Yamato?
It's true that colours play a part in a character's design. They hold some minor signifance. Dante wears mainly red, Vergil wears blue and Sparda wore purple. As for Nero -
'He wears a red zip-up hoodie underneath his coat, and a navy blue muscle-shirt beneath that'. Strange, Nero seems to wear all three colours. He wears something purple, red and blue. What is the means to wear all these three colours? What are Capcom hinting at? That Nero is all three roled into one?
Also I keep seeing this main point made regarding Nero. The point is, he is a 'descendant' of Sparda's blood'. However, the word descendant actually doesn't mean what we're associating for Nero's case. How are we to know which meaning Capcom were using when Sanctus stated Nero was a descendant?
Define Descendant
1. A person, animal, or plant whose descent can be traced to a particular individual or group.
2. Something derived from a prototype or earlier form: Today's bicycles are descendants of the earlier velocipede.
3. In astrology, the point of the ecliptic or the sign of the zodiac that sets in the west at the time of a person's birth or other event.
Define Descendent
1. Moving downward; descending.
2. Proceeding by descent from an ancestor.
In current English, however, descendant usually covers descendent‘s territory as well as its own. In fact, correct use of descendent according to its conventional sense is so rare that we should probably consider it a dead word. It may have been useful in the past, but people apparently don’t find it useful today.
Sorry for the history lessons on these words. But we have to understand which way of using these words they were going for in this sense. Otherwise we could look into other understandings of Nero's character.
If Nero is a 'descendant' in the sense that he is derived from a prototype or an earlier form, that means he received his powers via a previous source. Considering the great likeness surounding Nero and Vergil, I would assume this could mean that Nero is a 'descendant' in the terms that he recieved his powers from a source relating to Vergil. If so I would deduce that Nero was not born with these physical traits (The blue eyes and the white hair). I would assume that those traits were 'inherited' from that source mentioned. When he received this power from the 'source' he underwent a physical change of appearance in terms that he gained his demonic look. Sanctus may state that Nero is a 'descendant' of Sparda. But Vergil is Sparda's son, therefore holds Sparda's blood and power. If Nero was a 'descendant' in terms that he 'inherited' his powers via means of a source relating to Vergil, that would in conclusion mean the same thing. That does not have to mean that Nero is directly a part of Sparda's family or that he had to be born with his blood. The word inherited has different meanings. We can't just look at one meaning for that word. If we observe other meanings, what I'm saying can be said to be possibly true also.
Define Inherited
1. To gain (something) as one's right or portion. To receive (property or a title, for example) from an ancestor by legal succession or will.
2. To receive by bequest or as a legacy.
3. To receive or take over from a predecessor.
4. To receive (a characteristic) from one's parents by genetic transmission.
Sanctus could of been claiming that Nero truly has 'inherited' (As in it's his right to receive) Sparda's power. That does not necessarily mean it had to be handed down to him through birth of by legacy.
This is also a likely possibility that Nero could of changed from human to demon considering the valid points that humans have altered themselves into demons before (Or humans with such physical appearances and powers) of demons. Examples are Sanctus himself and Arius in Devil May Cry 2. Therefore, Nero being another human turned demon is not an impossible theory.
Nero's connection to Yamato could only be due to the fact that his original source of power came from Vergil. Ultimately then we could assume that Nero may not have a Devil Trigger, because he in fact is not a devil. If Nero were born human and altered by any form of experiment, we do not know the exact extent of such a thing. To me though logically, I feel that this could be a reason as to why he has no Devil Trigger. The Devil Bringer could of been a result of the experiment going wrong in terms of the physical alteration. However, it could of been the result of it going right (Enhancing his human form to a more demonic form) Why else does Nero have an arm that looks demonic and holds demonic power at all times, whereas Dante's arm only looks human in appearance? Perhaps this change has not spread throughout Nero's body yet, and he will in turn alter into a full demon (Perhaps by too much power input into him or because he is trying to control something that is beyond his control). When Arkham tried to control Sparda's power it rejected him because he was too weak and it altered him into a demonic blob (Clearly not meant to represent Sparda's true power or form). The point being, it essentially backfired on him. We don't even know what Nero could be changing into. It could be a possitive or a negative outcome, really.
These are just some ideas I am throwing around from what I have read and came to judge for myself. As interesting as every idea seems to be, the one thing that seems to logically fit for me and make any form of sense would be Nero belonging to the Order of the Sword out of means of experimentation.
Janoosen
Dark Slayer
Dante and Vergil were still children at the age 8 so there's nothing that indicates half-demons mature faster. And if half-demons really did mature faster then Nero wouldn't be if he was Vergil's son (hypothetically) since that would make him quarter demon if Vergil had a human lover. Now if he had demon lover it'd make a bit more sense but there's still nothing that points towards demons maturing faster. But it's plausible.
As for Nero being born with white hair and blue eyes...I can't see Sparda having had an illegitimate son since Sparda loved Eva very much and seemed like the kind of guy who'd stay faithful to his woman. That and the timeline doesn't match up with Nero being his son so his origins are still a mystery. He's clearly connected to Sparda somehow though.
In regards to Nero's arm, it appears to be possessed more than it appears to be the result of demonic heritage.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Biggest one is when Berial mentions he hasn't been in the human world in 2000 years, and Nero was "just like HIM." aka, comparison to Sparda.
LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
I can't recall anything mentioning him being born with blue eyes and white hair though, so I'm just putting my own opinion out there. This is exactly what I am getting at. When someone puts up valid and interesting points, they just get shot down because someone tries to think their opinion is essentially fact. I'm just trying to look further into the points I've been given to come to a conclusion myself.
In regards to Berial referencing Sparda when he was talking to Nero, that holds little relevance. You can compare a banana to an orange in terms that they are both fruit. He may of just been speaking in terms of power, comparing him to the likes of Sparda. In other words, Nero is a great combatant. This doesn't mean he is directly stating that Nero was exactly like Sparda was (I have yet to see an image of Sparda with a Devil Bringer).
In regards to Berial referencing Sparda when he was talking to Nero, that holds little relevance. You can compare a banana to an orange in terms that they are both fruit. He may of just been speaking in terms of power, comparing him to the likes of Sparda. In other words, Nero is a great combatant. This doesn't mean he is directly stating that Nero was exactly like Sparda was (I have yet to see an image of Sparda with a Devil Bringer).
LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
Well true. But Sparda sealed away his demonic power (Well almost all of it) which in return made his appearance more human in nature. But he was still in essence a demon. Being truly born that way he could never rid himself of his demonic side. Yeah that would be an interesting revelation indeed.
I like my own theory as well ^_
Theory point 2: Remember what Nero says about "You know God, I always hated that you made my arm like this" ???
This means 1 thing but in 2 ways... he either means "God" as possibly Christian one or simply a creator of the universe... BUT, who is the order's "God" ? Right, Sparda. So let's see:
"You know Sparda, I always hated that you made my arm like this" but his Devil Bringer appeared shortly before DMC4, right? Maybe Nero knows that he is in fact a full demon. That means he can be possibly Sparda's third son, but ages do not add up since Sparda died long before the events of DMC3, but what if Sparda is alive? : )
Theory point 2: Remember what Nero says about "You know God, I always hated that you made my arm like this" ???
This means 1 thing but in 2 ways... he either means "God" as possibly Christian one or simply a creator of the universe... BUT, who is the order's "God" ? Right, Sparda. So let's see:
"You know Sparda, I always hated that you made my arm like this" but his Devil Bringer appeared shortly before DMC4, right? Maybe Nero knows that he is in fact a full demon. That means he can be possibly Sparda's third son, but ages do not add up since Sparda died long before the events of DMC3, but what if Sparda is alive? : )
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Considering that DMC3 actually retconned Sparda's fate to being more ambigious that DMC1's backstory was(and even that got vague at times), possible Sparda could still be around in the post-Itsuno DMC world...
But the Order never called Sparda "god", they always called him "the Savior" since he was a demon, and acknowledge a higher God..
But the Order never called Sparda "god", they always called him "the Savior" since he was a demon, and acknowledge a higher God..
Caiden
Well-known Member
We really don't know what Berial meant by it. We don't really know in what respect Nero is similar Sparda that Berial was referring to. It may be his powers as a demon or maybe it was just over their hair color. But as I said earlier Capcom thought that they had done a good job of hinting who Nero was. And Berial's remarks about Nero was probably one of the biggest hints we got and I am sure that Capcom did that for a reason. Their would be no point in having Berial compare the two unless it was important.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
The trouble is that when Capcom thinks they're being cleverly subtle on hints, it's either as subtle as a brick to the head, or it's so lacking on underlying subtext to actually give the clue, NO ONE gets it. But yeah, Berial's comments about comparing Nero to Sparda(and Berial looked up to Sparda pre-rebellion in his given back history, so he would know Sparda's traits), as well as Nero's ability to reforge/heal Yamato are big indicators on who or what Nero was supposed to be...and despite what Bingo and his novel said, Vergil's kid ain't it.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
True. Though I want to add that Berial probably meant that Nero was literally just like him in every respect. That's why he said ''You are just like he was'' instead of just ''you are like him''. To me, it seems to bear the meaning of being the same in every way. So he probably meant in appearance, personality and skills.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
...And some people wonder WHY I have the theory Nero IS Sparda reborn after his death before Eva was murdered? That line and factors right there say why!