Why Ninja Theory?

[Dominus]

I find the lack of discussion on the merits of Ninja Theory as a developer disappointing for those who are optimistic about DmC. Just look at their track record, 2 mediocre 30 fps action games that did not sell that well. Games with simpler combat than DMC3, when they both are PS3 games. 2 games that have shown that other than graphics, Ninja Theory hasn't really grown in terms of developing good gameplay mechanics. Instead they take stuff out of the GOW playbook.

More importantly given their poor sales, and relatively unproven track record, WHY would Capcom pick them to handle the DMC franchise. Western influence? That sure went well with the Bionic Commando reboot. I almost feel I could run a better ship than Capcom is running now. They threw away their only influx of original games (clover studios), in favor of worse gambles (ninja theory).

 

[Chrysander]

I agree with all that

 

[darkslayer13]

apparently ninja theory is good with stories for games which is the area devil may cry games have had the most issues with. ninja theory doesn't need to come up with anything new with the gameplay they just need to tweak the existing gameplay a bit. they should be able to handle that much.

 

[Meg]

Actually NT's past games have gotten good reviews. Just because they don't sell really well doesn't mean they are bad. :/

 

[Esura]

Actually NT's past games have gotten good reviews. Just because they don't sell really well doesn't mean they are bad. :/

Yes, but not on their merits of deep gameplay. Thats the problem I think the OP trying to get across. Most of the games they made were more...cinematic and storytelling oriented. DMC games has always been about the gameplay first and foremost.

What kind of scares me too is that their gameplay mechanics for Heavenly Sword and Enslaved are completely ripped from past games, just with enough coating to make themselves different, so they havent really proven themselves in the gameplay department, which as I said before...is the most important aspect of any DMC game. DMC games started the whole stylish action genre. Even David Jaffe said he was somewhat inspired by DMC when making GoW, so Ninja Theory better haul some ass and do everything they didn't do on their other games, which was making a deep combat system and consistant framerates.

 

[Dominus]

already said..

 

[DreadnoughtDT]

I'm gonna stick NT to their promise that the gameplay will be exactly like the DMC we know and love. However, I will not make assumptions until the game comes out.

 

[Dominus]

Yes, but not on their merits of deep gameplay. Thats the problem I think the OP trying to get across. Most of the games they made were more...cinematic and storytelling oriented. DMC games has always been about the gameplay first and foremost.

I was just starting to type a similar post, but yah that's the point I was trying to get across. DMC games the story was framed around the action. Hell look at the first game, they had to whip up a story on the fly to explain why some guy in a trench coat was in a castle, after they converted the original game being developed (RE 4 right?) into DMC.

 

[Esura]

I'm gonna stick NT to their promise that the gameplay will be exactly like the DMC we know and love. However, I will not make assumptions until the game comes out.

Ninja Theory are noobs in game development, so expect the gameplay to be a poor rehash of DMC4 or DMC2.

 

[DreadnoughtDT]

Ninja Theory are noobs in game development, so expect the gameplay to be a poor rehash of DMC4 or DMC2.

Even if it's like DMC2, I wouldn't mind it. I enjoyed DMC2 as much as any other DMC.

 

[Esura]

I was just starting to type a similar post, but yah that's the point I was trying to get across. DMC games the story was framed around the action. Hell look at the first game, they had to whip up a story on the fly to explain why some guy in a trench coat was in a castle, after they converted the original game being developed (RE 4 right?) into DMC.

True.

Honestly, they should of contacted Bayonetta's developer Platinum Games. Shinji Mikami said he didn't mind returning to DMC.

Even if it's like DMC2, I wouldn't mind it. I enjoyed DMC2 as much as any other DMC.

I personally do too, but it was arguably considered the weakest link of DMC games, with DMC4 not too far behind.

And I said "poorly rehashed" which is implying that it's going to be a poorly implemented repeat of old DMC mechanics of the series' weakest links without pushing the stylish action genre any further, unlike Bayonetta. And considering Ninja Theory's track record in the gameplay mechanics department...its hard not to worry about it.

 

[DreadnoughtDT]

I suppose you have a point there. Still, I'll try to stay optimistic until I can play the game for myself. I once played Other M to see how bad it was, and I got hooked on it, so who knows?

 

[Esura]

I suppose you have a point there. Still, I'll try to stay optimistic until I can play the game for myself. I once played Other M to see how bad it was, and I got hooked on it, so who knows?

I love Other M too lol.

Well, Other M was an experiment for the Metroid series to mix it up, and its critized for the most mudane reasons, although some of the gameplay complaints are valid (seriously got to go into first-person to shoot missles? GTFO of here with that Team Ninja!).

However, they mixing up DMC for no reason. Its not old as Metroid and alot of people....I mean ALOT of people, find Dante's current appearance to be cool already. Donte was an unneeded makeover, which I have a feeling that DmC will kind of fail...although I do not hope this.

 

[aka958]

I won't buy the game. I'll check multiple reviews, I'll look through alot of gameplay and some story. If I would deem it really good, only then, only then will I think about buying it.

All I've seen so far is like a test from the guide "How to ruin a game series in 1 trailer".

Ninja Theory does not seem to be good at this, I want the old DMC team back on DMC.

 

[Esura]

I won't buy the game. I'll check multiple reviews, I'll look through alot of gameplay and some story. If I would deem it really good, only then, only then will I think about buying it.

All I've seen so far is like a test from the guide "How to ruin a game series in 1 trailer".

Ninja Theory does not seem to be good at this, I want the old DMC team back on DMC.

Then beg that Capcom contacts Platinum Games, developers of Bayonetta, cause it has Shinji Mikami.

 

[aka958]

Then beg that Capcom contacts Platinum Games, developers of Bayonetta, cause it has Shinji Mikami.

Lawl... No.

There is no reason to beg because no one would answer and I would have no dignity. Capcom wouldn't even lend a ear and the game is already in process, it would be a waste of resources and work to just scrap it and send the reboot to Platinum Games.
However, I would like if they gave Platinum Games a chance to make a reboot as well, and make a race out of it! The one making the best DmC will continue making it. XD

 

[Esura]

Lawl... No.

There is no reason to beg because no one would answer and I would have no dignity. Capcom wouldn't even lend a ear and the game is already in process, it would be a waste of resources and work to just scrap it and send the reboot to Platinum Games.
However, I would like if they gave Platinum Games a chance to make a reboot as well, and make a race out of it! The one making the best DmC will continue making it. XD

Actually, thats more of a waste of resources than starting over cause they are making TWO games... simultaneously. Look at how good that turned out for Square Enix with Nier Gestalt and Nier Replicant.

Remember, they are still in the very early conceptual part of development. This is where they can actually really change stuff (like Donte for instance} cause they arent far in development at all. Hell, they already recieving changes already because of Keji Inafune's departure of Capcom. He was supervising Ninja Theory and stuff. Jun Takeuchi took his place in DmC development.


Also, this might intrest you a bit...
http://thesilentchief.com/2010/11/23/capcom-has-a-shocking-surprise-for-fans/

 

[DreadnoughtDT]

I wonder what this "shocking" surprise will be.

 

[aka958]

I smell disappointment somehow... :\

 

[Esura]

I'm trying to stay optimistic.