Why I think Dante's behaviour was "realistic".

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Yes, I know he seems(Like Old Dante) like a power fantasy, but I can honestly say he acts in an understandable way, given context.

1)The taunting: To quote @mrrandomlulz
"Be honest here, if you were a super awesome, gravity-defying, indestructible badass, you'd be a show off too."

2)His "sleazy" lifestyle before the game starts: What did you expect?
He got nowhere to really go.(Except for some rickety trailer.)
No friends or family.(That he knows of.)
Can't exactly just up and start a demon hunting shop/business.
Hell, he doesn't even know who he really is, or why he's being hunted.

So, with all that in mind and a perfectly good strip club in the immediate vicinity.
Why not just go out clubbing and have sex with two moderately attractive whores?

3)Slapping can out of fat guys hand.
That was literally filled with poison, which would have lobotomized(or further lobotomized) the guy who was about to drink it and turn him into(or even more so into) a spineless drone/slave.

Even if you think slapping out his hand was pointless, I don't even think I could just watch someone drink that stuff and not do anything, in good conscience.

4)Punching the bouncer:
Dante has never shown any feeling of being unwilling to hurt humans or human beings.
If you could suggest a possible alternate way to get in, then by all means, do so.
The guy doesn't even look that messed up, all things considered, Dante took him out in the cleanest and quickest way possible.

5)Raunchy jokes at Kat: It's pretty obvious by that point that Dante is a vulgar guy with a vulgar sense of humor(most of the time), and at that point in the game Kat might as well have been "just some chick".
Even if she helped him stop the hunter, remember: Trust issues.


If you think I'm wrong in any of my explanations(or find instances where Dante does not act in a "realistic" way), then by all means try and correct me.

 

[V's patron]

Well I think "plausible" might be the better term to use.

To be honest, I don't really see him as that different from DMC3 Dante and I could see DMC3 Dante acting similar. He'll in the prequel manga, he was a huge douche to Enzo (not as big as the cast of bayonetta but still)

 

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Well I think "plausible" might be the better term to use.

To be honest, I don't really see him as that different from DMC3 Dante and I could see DMC3 Dante acting similar. He'll in the prequel manga, he was a huge douche to Enzo (not as big as the cast of bayonetta but still)

Yeah that's why I said, "given context".
Obviously DmC's world isn't exactly realistic.

Also: *Hell

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I hope you don't mind but let me put my weigh in on this.

New Dante does have a slightly more realistic personality but not completely realistic because we don't see demons roaming the streets trying to kill us. Dante does.

In terms of his life, he's pretty much had no real purpose. He was in an orphanage where demons tortured him all day and night probably so he really has no reason to activate his true powers like DMC1 Dante said he did when this Dante has NO IDEA he even has demonic power or even what he was. When he broke out the orphanage, his life was pretty much filled with demon killing and surviving on the streets for years. In doing this, he has built a mental and emotional tough wall around himself that allows him not to get hurt or show any sign of sadness or any real feelings. And what shows instead is a tough and rough exterior that has no cracks in the presence of demons.

When it comes to sleeping with women and such, well that's another reason from demon killing. When you're being chased and hunted by evil that only you can see and feel with no one to help you, that can give you a lot of stress. And how do some deal with stress? They f*ck the stress right out. For Dante, sex is one of his outlets to cope with the frustration of killing demons all day. No love, no cheesy romance, no one-liners. Just hit it and quit it. And why would he want a relationship now? Demons are coming after him and you think he has time to snuggle in bed with a bae?

Next is his brashness. Again it comes from his hard shell that protects how he really feels. It's an outer layer that he's crafted so that he doesn't show weakness. Could he have had the outer shell character as Classic Dante did? Yeah, he could've...if he lived like Classic Dante. Which he didn't. Classic Dante, from what I've noticed, does have the luxury of being able to enjoy a beer, eat a pizza, relax, and just chill out in an office. New Dante on the other hand hardly has that much time for any of that. Sure every now and then he can chill and do what he wants, but only on those rare opportunities probably. But back to his brashness. New Dante's brashness comes from his general hate for demons and them ruining his life for as long as he could remember. And if the demons were gonna get tough, then he could get tough right along with them. And just as Randomluz said about "show it if you know it", New Dante does it too. He shows it by his words and his body language instead of his actions. He acts like he's the sh!t because if he doesn't demons will keep treating him like garbage, which he himself already feels like. He probably has to force himself to be the top dog and act like hot sh!t because if he didn't, he'd face serious depression and demons would get the jump on him.

Trust issues come from possibly post traumatic stress. That and him having to fight demons all the time. But I'm sure he probably met a few humans who could also detect and see demons who betrayed him in the long run so that the demons wouldn't come after them anymore. Plus with him probably trying to form relationships, he was sold out by said girl to gang members or even more demons. And finally there's the people controlled by demons who he thought would help him but instead end up betraying him in the long run. Plus in a world of demons coming after you and lands breaking apart, who and what can you trust?

But that's the past, now let's talk about now.

After Meeting Kat and Vergil and helping them out, Dante begins to change in many aspects. Dante now has a purpose. He has a reason to kill demons and a goal to strive towards. He now has a real reason to continue on this life and keep on killing as many demons has possible. He can now hold himself to be trusted with doing a task that can benefit humanity and himself. He now has a reason to unlock his hidden demonic powers due to learning his past and Phineas telling him of his unlocked potential.

His sleaziness had come to a halt due to him being with Kat. At first he was being flirty with her from the "I like it rough" line but as the game continued he began to see her in a different manner from other girls. It went from f*ck one f*ck two f*ck three, to "I trust you, you can trust me too" in mission 7. He now knows how to speak to women and treat them with a better form of respect as oppose to just flirting with them as with Kat. For if he'll only do this with Kat and continue flirting, well that's a different story if we get a sequel.

His brashness has also improved as the game went on. Before he used brashness as a coping to fill his inner sadness and depression of just being a target for demons with no reason and no purpose for life. But after finding out he had a brother, finding his family, and finding his origin, he now knows why demons wanna kill him, he now knows why he must fight them, and he now has an important purpose to fulfill. And now he feels confident. He feels arrogant. He feels like he can take on the world. He has the power to stop the demons once and for all and that gives him legit brashness do to him knowing he's doing it for the sake of mankind and saving humanity. For the first time in his life, he's actually a hero.

And of course his trust issues have been better handled. with other humans, such as Kat, he's developed an actual friendship with Kat when she did all she could to help Dante with whatever they were doing. Being a helping hand on the field, and being someone to talk to as well who wasn't going to stab him in the back later on. He sees her as a reason to fight and a reason to trust again because she can understand Dante's issues with trust from experience. Because of this both know what it's like to be betrayed, and because of that they make a profound bond with one another. The same with demons as well. Dante has always thought all demons were evil and bad, until he meets Phineas. Phineas is the demon who changes Dante's view on what evil is by helping him, talking with him, and informing Dante on what the Nephilim were and their origin.

But all that comes to a shattering halt after Vergil's betrayal. After all that and Dante finally believing he had a purpose to uphold for the sake of mankind's freedom, it's ripped away from him by Vergil's true intentions of humanity's new ruler. after the battle and almost killing his own brother, he feels he's lost grasp of all that heroism and all that love, and all that trust of anyone, and feels like it was all for nothing. Basically returning to how he was at the beginning of the game, only this time his wall is crumbled after opening itself to Kat and everything that's happened through the course of the story.

However as Kat told him, he was still Dante. Not the defender of mankind, nor the bastard of Limbo city. Just Dante. And that's it.That in itself gave him a new found determination to accept next.

What he does with it afterwards depends on if we ever get a sequel.

 

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I hope you don't mind but let me put my weigh in on this.

Of course.
That's kinda the reason why I make these threads.

Also: I did say he acts realistic, "given context".

 

[mrrandomlulz]

While we're discussing the character and comparing the two Dante's, since I already mentioned Dead Rising in the thread you quoted me in, I might as well mention a factor that Dead Rising has taught me when it comes to this stuff.
"Frank Belmont the spiky-haired attorney' factor, as I affectionately call it.
As a Frank fanboy my self, whenever I hear Chuck and him are being compared, I'm obliged to jump in and say 'Frank is better', even though I think Frank is better in terms of personality, I can't deny Chuck has a more compelling backstory. But no, everytime, I yell 'Frank'.
It isn't that 'Frank was the first character!'. It's that Frank was the first one to bludgeon, slash, and cross-dress his way into my heart. That's the thing that both sides tend to ignore on this. DMC Dante being the original DOES factor into it, but in a legitimate way.
He was the one we first played as when we inserted the disc and picked up the controller, and that gives him a special place in our hearts and on our shelves. DmC Dante may very well be a good character, but as long as DMC was the one we first experienced the series as, he gets points just for being there.
I mean really, go into a room of Spider-man fans, and say, 'Raise your hand if you like Miles Morales better than Peter Parker.'
Now wait until after people are done staring at you like 'That was completely out-of-nowhere', and watch as no one raises their hand and just looks at you like 'Bullshit'

 

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While we're discussing the character and comparing the two Dante's, since I already mentioned Dead Rising in the thread you quoted me in, I might as well mention a factor that Dead Rising has taught me when it comes to this stuff.
"Frank Belmont the spiky-haired attorney' factor, as I affectionately call it.
As a Frank fanboy my self, whenever I hear Chuck and him are being compared, I'm obliged to jump in and say 'Frank is better', even though I think Frank is better in terms of personality, I can't deny Chuck has a more compelling backstory. But no, everytime, I yell 'Frank'.
It isn't that 'Frank was the first character!'. It's that Frank was the first one to bludgeon, slash, and cross-dress his way into my heart. That's the thing that both sides tend to ignore on this. DMC Dante being the original DOES factor into it, but in a legitimate way.
He was the one we first played as when we inserted the disc and picked up the controller, and that gives him a special place in our hearts and on our shelves. DmC Dante may very well be a good character, but as long as DMC was the one we first experienced the series as, he gets points just for being there.
I mean really, go into a room of Spider-man fans, and say, 'Raise your hand if you like Miles Morales better than Peter Parker.'
Now wait until after people are done staring at you like 'That was completely out-of-nowhere', and watch as no one raises their hand and just looks at you like 'Bullshit'

Granted, but that only really applies to people who liked old Dante or thought he was good character wise.

 

[V's patron]

I dont think we should turn this into a Dante VS Dante thread because both have strengths and weaknesses.

Both NT and capcom differing takes are valid if not flawed takes and we should just leave it at that.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I dont think we should turn this into a Dante VS Dante thread because both have strengths and weaknesses.

Both NT and capcom differing takes are valid if not flawed takes and we should just leave it at that.

It's not really a Dante VS Dante thread but more of a observation on the differences between the two characters. New Dante was raised in poor living arrangements with no rest in demon fighting which shaped how he is as a character, while Classic Dante was raised in a more lenient lifestyle of demon hunting while also living in poor conditions which shaped his character.