What DmC's story should've had & didn't have...?

[Ronin]

In DmC's story they should've made it go "Matrix" style. Though Limbo is the Matrix, I like it.

They also could've added more characters. Kat shouldn't be the only human. There could've been like...
- A "Tank" like character, the second brains of the Order. He's best friend's with Kat.
- A "Cipher" character who would've been that Drekavak enemy. He would've been a traitor inside the Order giving out secrets to Mundus and Barbas about Vergil's identity and being a nephilim.

I don't know, what do you think if fans start to appreciate the new franchise?

 

[LysseC]

Surely we needed more characters from the Order...
The Chyper character could also have been the one to betray Sparda and Eva.
And I know I have already said this somewhere else, but I would have really liked if they gave Vergil's foster family some role in the plot...

 

[Alittleacorn]

I agree, I wouldn't have minded seeing more human characters at The Order. Imagine how desperate things would've been if you, as Dante, saw these guys getting picked off one by one during the raid, but you knew them more as people and got more of an emotional response when you saw them be shot dead and being able to do nothing about it. It would've made finding Kat and Vergil more dire, more so when you're trying to get Kat where Vergil is and worry 'nooo! not her too!' after seeing Tank go down...oh Tank! :'(

And I like idea of the mole :3

 

[Loopy]

• Yep, agreeing with giving The Order some characters aside from Kat and Vergil. Maybe then I would have cared when a load of them got shot during the raid.
• More scenes of Dante and Vergil being like brothers instead of making plans to take down Mundus.
• Dante defeating Lilith using a heater to melt her plastic face:troll:
• More scenes of Mundus. I actually found him interesting, so I'd want to see more of how he runs his demon empire. Like interactions with Bob, Succubus, SWAT and I guess Lilith.
• More about Vergil's past. What we know is from material relased prior to the game in articles...and that info was not shown in the game either.
• Maybe Dante taking down a demon school because Bob mentions the demon brainwashing starts young, so I guess that would mean demon run schools.
• More explaining about where the angels were and why they were not around.
• More on why Mundus can only be defeated by a Nephilim and how he went about killing creatures that are supposedly able to kill him too. Phineas implied there were other Nephilim, but they were all killed. This also shows that not only Sparda and Eva got together. Other angels and demons got together at least long enough to have a Nephilim child.
• More scenes of Phineas. That guy was mysterious and I wanted more of him in the game.

 

[LysseC]

• Yep, agreeing with giving The Order some characters aside from Kat and Vergil. Maybe then I would have cared when a load of them got shot during the raid.
• More scenes of Dante and Vergil being like brothers instead of making plans to take down Mundus.
• Dante defeating Lilith using a heater to melt her plastic face:troll:
• More scenes of Mundus. I actually found him interesting, so I'd want to see more of how he runs his demon empire. Like interactions with Bob, Succubus, SWAT and I guess Lilith.
• More about Vergil's past. What we know is from material relased prior to the game in articles...and that info was not shown in the game either.
• Maybe Dante taking down a demon school because Bob mentions the demon brainwashing starts young, so I guess that would mean demon run schools.
• More explaining about where the angels were and why they were not around.
• More on why Mundus can only be defeated by a Nephilim and how he went about killing creatures that are supposedly able to kill him too. Phineas implied there were other Nephilim, but they were all killed. This also shows that not only Sparda and Eva got together. Other angels and demons got together at least long enough to have a Nephilim child.
• More scenes of Phineas. That guy was mysterious and I wanted more of him in the game.

Well, if they ever make a sequel, maybe some of those points will be exploited...

 

[Ronin]

It would've also been nice though if Sparda was revealed more, like... if he was shown in the grafitti that he was a great warrior throughout ancient times fighting alongside the demons before he met Eva.

Cipher character: Oh! Dante, its you! Sorry. Just jumpy sometimes.
Dante: Its okay. On the screens. Is that Limbo?
Cipher character: Yeah. We view on both worlds to see for demon attacks and all.
Dante: Cool.
Cipher character: So um... why did Vergil want us to find you and recruit you anyway?
Dante: Mmmph?
Cipher character: D'ooohhh (sighing). So you're here to save the world.
(Dante walks away)
Cipher character: Word of advice. If you see a Hunter coming back for you... again? Run!
Dante: I'll remember that.

 

[Ronin]

If there were more humans from the Order, Dante would made more friends there and accepted them.

I like Kat, but there should be more.

- Like the characters from the Matrix: Tank, Mouse, Cipher and all. Vergil isn't any Morpheus.

Cipher character: I told you before, I don't know the codes. But I can get you the man who does.... My boss.
Mundus: His name?
Cipher character: Vergil. But there's also something you should also know about him. He's got a secret that no one outside of the Order even the demons and you don't know.
Mundus: Really? Tell me then.
("Cipher character" smirks)

Cipher Drekavak: If you're brother told us the whole complete damn truth about you and him in the plans! We wouldn't have been recruited in his "Order" in the first place. We'd be stuck in Limbo's demonville by the asses!
Dante: That's not true! He set you all free!
Cipher: Free? You call this free!? I don't think so! If I had to choose the "boring" real world and Limbo. I choose Limbo!
Dante: Limbo is not real!

 

[Stylish Nero]

Well, if they ever make a sequel, maybe some of those points will be exploited...

How Mundus, Lilith, and all the baddies (not Vergil) are dead. Limbo is gone and humans are free. Explaining anything in this game in a sequel would just be damage control.

NT: Yeah we missed a lot of story opportunities and started up a lot of questions in DmC we need to make a sequel to elaborate on them more.
Capcom: Wouldn't that be damage control?
NT: Yes:troll:
Capcom: Wouldn't it make more sense for us to make a game maybe a DMC5 that corrects the inconsistencies and questions in our past games rather than spend money on a sequel to a game that is the lowest selling in the series just so it can do the same.
NT: hMMM....I don't know...
Capcom: What your doing anymore?

 

[LysseC]

How Mundus, Lilith, and all the baddies (not Vergil) are dead. Limbo is gone and humans are free

There are still a lot of things that could happen, for example:
-Angels can make their appearance in a second moment because they were waiting for the demonic realm to be shaken by something bad (like Munuds' death)
-Some people from the Order could have survived, and regrouped with Dante and Kat later.
-Barbas' prison is opened and Phineas gets out.
-Once he gets out, he explains things to Dante about nephilims, demons and angels.
-During his quest for... well, we don't know what his plans are, but whatever it is... Vergil meets his foster parents again. Or Dante and Kat, searching for Vergil, go meet his foster family.

If something like this happens, some of the points Loopy made could be better explored.

 

[Stylish Nero]

There are still a lot of things that could happen, for example:
-Angels can make their appearance in a second moment because they were waiting for the demonic realm to be shaken by something bad (like Munuds' death)
-Some people from the Order could have survived, and regrouped with Dante and Kat later.
-Barbas' prison is opened and Phineas gets out.
-Once he gets out, he explains things to Dante about nephilims, demons and angels.
-During his quest for... well, we don't know what his plans are, but whatever it is... Vergil meets his foster parents again. Or Dante and Kat, searching for Vergil, go meet his foster family.

If something like this happens, some of the points Loopy made could be better explored.

Basically Damage Control......this story needs it because the first game did a pretty bad job at presenting its story.

 

[LysseC]

Basically Damage Control......this story needs it because the first game did a pretty bad job at presenting its story.

I agree that the story has some faults, but I don't personally believe they make it so bad that it needs damage control.
I think it's only normal for a videogame which is not centered on the story to have some parts that are not well explained. DmC is not a movie nor a novel, so I think it's excusable (while still recognizing that there IS room for improvement).
I think that, for what the game is, they didn't do such a bad job.
But I'm not going to go further, because I know that our opinions are different, and, once I stated mine, I don't want to start an argument.

 

[Chancey289]

DmC should have Capcom giving NT all the freedom in the world to incorporate their ideas that were scrapped from DmC. So many awesome ideas were taken away from the final product and early concepts really show this game was something entirely different. I know damn well it was Capcom's fault telling them to cut corners. Capcom recently got on record saying they are cutting the development time of their bigger franchises to have a gap of at least 2.5 years. It's stupid moves like this made by companies that make me respect companies like Rockstar the most. Rockstar says they can easily push out a new GTA every year but they feel that will ruin the franchise and say "hey guys, we're working to make this game the best it can possibly be so the game will be ready when we think it is good and ready." You can tell those guys actually have pride in their work and GTA 5 is shaping up to be amazing.

Sure I was a little bummed to hear the game was pushed back but their reason was that they feel as if they can make it even better. I'll gladly wait even longer if it means I'm getting an even better game. In a creative industry like the video game industry, it's that kind of attitude that is definitely and unfortunately amongst the people in it that is few and far between. This is why indie games are killing it and are the best out there if you ask me.

 

[Stylish Nero]

I agree that the story has some faults, but I don't personally believe they make it so bad that it needs damage control.
I think it's only normal for a videogame which is not centered on the story to have some parts that are not well explained. DmC is not a movie nor a novel, so I think it's excusable (while still recognizing that there IS room for improvement).
I think that, for what the game is, they didn't do such a bad job.
But I'm not going to go further, because I know that our opinions are different, and, once I stated mine, I don't want to start an argument.

.........Yet I remember Tameem and everyone at NT/Capcom saying that this game's narrative was its key or center focus and that NT takes their narrative seriously.

 

[LysseC]

.........Yet I remember Tameem and everyone at NT/Capcom saying that this game's narrative was its key or center focus and that NT takes their narrative seriously.

Ok, then let's go like this. They probably could have done a better job, but the problem is that Devil May Cry in general is NOT a franchise which is centered on the plot.
For such a franchise, NT did what they could.
And I am convinced that, given the limitations that a franchise such as Devil May Cry poses on storytelling, they still did a better job than what Capcom did with the old series, which has its faults too.
Now, please don't take me as a hater of the old series because I say so. I love DMC. I really do. But, story-wise, I appreciate the new series more.

I admit I don't know what NT/Capcom/Tameem said, and how they phrased it. I haven't read the interviews. I don't want to discuss what NT said or meant to say about the game. If NT stated that DmC is perfect storywise, or that the primary reason for buying it is its story, I think that they are wrong. If they stated that DmC represents an improvement form the old series, I agree with them. That's all I'm going to say about NT. I don't want to make final judgements about something I don't know for myself.

 

[Stylish Nero]

Ok, then let's go like this. They probably could have done a better job, but the problem is that Devil May Cry in general is NOT a franchise which is centered on the plot.
For such a franchise, NT did what they could.
And I am convinced that, given the limitations that a franchise such as Devil May Cry poses on storytelling, they still did a better job than what Capcom did with the old series, which has its faults too.
Now, please don't take me as a hater of the old series because I say so. I love DMC. I really do. But, story-wise, I appreciate the new series more.

I admit I don't know what NT/Capcom/Tameem said, and how they phrased it. I haven't read the interviews. I don't want to discuss what NT said or meant to say about the game. If NT stated that DmC is perfect storywise, or that the primary reason for buying it is its story, I think that they are wrong. If they stated that DmC represents an improvement form the old series, I agree with them. That's all I'm going to say about NT. I don't want to make final judgements about something I don't know for myself.

That is probably but I don't think DmC is needed or at least NT DmC. I think Capcom could've done better...when it came to picking a right company.

Why do you think this way anyway?

 

[LysseC]

Why do you think this way anyway?

What way?
(Sorry, I really don't understand what you mean, I'm not trolling.)
If you ask why I think that DmC is better story-wise... well, I'll put it simply, and not argue each point in depth, because this is not the specific thread:
-the main characters are better explored in their motives and inner growth (what they did with Vergil, especially in VD, is a great work of psychology imo), while this only happens rarely in DMC (the only comparable thing we have is Dante in DMC3)
-the plot touches issues that are very interesting for our society (I'm talking about the philosophical/political issues implied in Vergil and Dante's confrontation in Mission 20: the importance of democracy)
-even though it has some minor contradictions, if compared to DMC those of DmC are less evident. Just two examples: Dante's attitude changing deeply from one game to the other in the old series, and the whole story behind Nero's birth, which is never really explained and has raised a lot of questions.
-bringing angels into the mixture expands the lore (even if I agree that we don't see them as often as we should)

In general, DMC has a Japanese style behind it, it is flashy and funny as hell for the most parts, but DmC goes a little more in depth. This is why I think it slightly better.

 

[Stylish Nero]

What way?
(Sorry, I really don't understand what you mean, I'm not trolling.)
If you ask why I think that DmC is better story-wise... well, I'll put it simply, and not argue each point in depth, because this is not the specific thread:
-the main characters are better explored in their motives and inner growth (what they did with Vergil, especially in VD, is a great work of psychology imo), while this only happens rarely in DMC (the only comparable thing we have is Dante in DMC3)
-the plot touches issues that are very interesting for our society (I'm talking about the philosophical/political issues implied in Vergil and Dante's confrontation in Mission 20: the importance of democracy)
-even though it has some minor contradictions, if compared to DMC those of DmC are less evident. Just two examples: Dante's attitude changing deeply from one game to the other in the old series, and the whole story behind Nero's birth, which is never really explained and has raised a lot of questions.
-bringing angels into the mixture expands the lore (even if I agree that we don't see them as often as we should)

In general, DMC has a Japanese style behind it, it is flashy and funny as hell for the most parts, but DmC goes a little more in depth. This is why I think it slightly better.

Hmm......I see your point whatever you feel....but......I'm not going to specifics I can't tell the difference in quality. DmC practically does everything DMC did but differently maybe you prefered that direction DmC took that DMC took but I see DmC as unneccessary cause its practically the same as DMC....I sort of made a thread about it.

Its practically as NT said it is, a re-imagining.

 

[REAPER 3142]

In DmC's story they should've made it go "Matrix" style. Though Limbo is the Matrix, I like it.

They also could've added more characters. Kat shouldn't be the only human. There could've been like...
- A "Tank" like character, the second brains of the Order. He's best friend's with Kat.
- A "Cipher" character who would've been that Drekavak enemy. He would've been a traitor inside the Order giving out secrets to Mundus and Barbas about Vergil's identity and being a nephilim.

I don't know, what do you think if fans start to appreciate the new franchise?

ANGELS! For the love of god dmc games have always tiptoed around the subject of angels but...............where are they. When they started releasing new info i was so excited to see some sweet angel combat. some friend and some foe. but no. This is my biggest wish for DmC 2.

 

[LysseC]

Hmm......I see your point whatever you feel....but......I'm not going to specifics I can't tell the difference in quality. DmC practically does everything DMC did but differently maybe you prefered that direction DmC took that DMC took but I see DmC as unneccessary cause its practically the same as DMC....I sort of made a thread about it.

Its practically as NT said it is, a re-imagining.

Well, you're probably right in this, for the most part it's a matter of tastes. So let's leave this discussion at that.

 

[EvilX-81]

The game needed Dante wearing a chef's hat and a Kill the Cook apron, stirring a boiling pot with a demon inside, staring at the screen with a creepy smile.

Okay seriously though, it could've used a better execution of the final fight with Vergil. Vergil also could've had more scenes of him kicking ass in limbo or against Mundus. Instead it's like they tried to hide his skill for the most part until the actual battle, as if Vergil being an asskicker himself was somehow a secret.

Some scenes showing us the aftereffects of taking down the demons also; the scientists working on Virility realizing their product is off (because since Poison was dead, no more slurm factor) or Raptr news being canceled or postponed for the day because Bob Barbas was dead, etc.

Also perhaps better nail down the rules of limbo; who can affect the real world from limbo, the factors that play into that (powerlevel, intention and such), etc.