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Vergil's side of the story in DMC 3

VergilNeroDante

VergilNeroDante

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Do you think if cutscenes were added and you actually got to play through Vergil's side of the story in DMC 3 (not through Dante's missions) it would have made the game hellva better? I think it would have tied up lose ends on some of the gaps in the series and after losing to Dante in the end, you would see where Vergil would have fought Mundus and lost and thus being controlled.

I hate how Capcom left out so much in a series that had so much potential. I hope if they release DMC 5 it will finally tie up all the gaps.
 
Vergil is a character that I just..he's such a complex person and it would be so awesome if we got a game with him:D . Even though I love DMC 3, they kinda dropped the ball by not explaining Vergil's story.
 
It probably would have made the special edition a better purchase because they skimped out on Vergil and just made him feel like a rehash of Dante as you went through the same areas, and fought the same bosses/enemies. Hell you didnt even fight Dante, you just fought Vergil with a red coat on.

it might help the people who dont like vergil understand the people who do.
 
I guess you have a point, Capcom wanted to just throw it out there and have people play as him i guess to get how he felt but even withthe HD collection we got, the game is nothing more than 6.6 G i might be off slightly but they definately could have added Vergil side of the story in there and would have had more space to throw in some other ideas pertaining to the other two games that left some things out.
 
I think they were planning to make a Vergil game after DMC3 or a lady spinoff before they settled on Nero so i almost forgave the original DMC3 for not having done more with Vergil. But with the special edition its unforgiveable not to have done more with the story and Vergil and Lady etc.

I wouldn't have tied this game to heavily with the other games since its a prequel and that's more of a DMC4/anime territory to cover. You could have shoutouts by having Arkham or Vergil talk about visiting some past locations in their search of the temen-ni gru or Dante referencing both the manga and the DMC1 light novel but thats it.

Bringing in characters from both 1 and 2 would get tricky because you have to tip toe around the fact that these characters arent suppose to meet yet. That would be easier if they interact with everyone except Dante so you can preserve the illusion.
 
Vergil's story would be...

Turn up with Arkham at the Forbidden Land outside the tower and fight some Abysses.
Take the convenient lift up to the top of the tower... wait till Dante turns up and beat the crap out of him.
Jump back down to the Forbidden Land and fight Beowulf in the basement.
Fight Dante in the basement, then fall down a massive hole
Climb all the way back up to turn up in time to kick Arkham's ass
Fight Dante, fall down into Hell
Fight Mundus and lose.

It'd be considerably shorter than all the running around Dante has to do but I would LOVE to fight Mundus as Vergil, and Beowulf. So what the hell, yeah, I'd want this.
 
I was disappointed with the Jester battles they put in as 'new content', glad they don't force all three on you. For the time taken to bother making those Jester battles, they could have made a Dante opponent instead of Vante. I wanted to fight Dante as Vergil.
 
Ieyasu said:
I was disappointed with the Jester battles they put in as 'new content', glad they don't force all three on you. For the time taken to bother making those Jester battles, they could have made a Dante opponent instead of Vante. I wanted to fight Dante as Vergil.
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True it would have been nice to play against Dante but also you have to look at it like this, with the cutscenes we had yea I can see where you say the game would be shorter BUT I feel there could have been more to it, possibly different bosses added and after beating the game, a hidden boss fight with Mundus and if you actually win (hardest battle to even the best would fail), it would show a secret cutscene that would prove Vergil still lives!
 
VergilNeroDante said:
True it would have been nice to play against Dante but also you have to look at it like this, with the cutscenes we had yea I can see where you say the game would be shorter BUT I feel there could have been more to it, possibly different bosses added and after beating the game, a hidden boss fight with Mundus and if you actually win (hardest battle to even the best would fail), it would show a secret cutscene that would prove Vergil still lives!
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We already know Vergil's side of the story. While I agree they could have added new bosses and whatnot while playing as Vergil I'm pleased just to have gotten to play as him. Not to mention the game has tons of content already and lots of replayability simply for the awesome. Heck, I still play the game today as Vergil occasionally and probably will for many years to come.

@VergilNeroDante It was already proven that Vergil survived in DMC1 (although at the time no one really knew who the other white haired guy was).
 
I'm partial to the belief that less is more in some forms of narrative. While it might be nice to have a concrete idea of what Vergil was up to at various points in the narrative, having your imagination fill in the gaps is often much more engaging, especially when dealing with a character so shrouded in mystery as Vergil.

I mean look at the Star Wars prequels. IV onward are a much more compelling experience without them, having to consider for yourself what the days of the Old Republic were like as well as the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin were like before the downfall. Although I'll grant you the reason those films failed so spectacularly is because of Lucas; a real writer willing to listen to his peers would probably have made something worthwhile out of it.

Consider the exposition heavy dialogue in DmC versus the far more sparse conversation in DMC3. In 3 more things are implied than directly stated about Vergil's past, and his fighting style gives you just as great an insight into his nature than any cavalcade of exposition can. Perhaps more even, given that what your observations and imagination construct is tailored to your own tastes automatically, and is therefore more comfortably palatable.
 
I think that if an official DMC5 comes out, it should focus on Nero and have Playable flashbacks of Vergil.
Maybe Vergils whole quest for power wasn't because he let his mother die but because he let Neros mother die.
I mean, I'm jumping to conclusions but Nero was an orphan after all. So what happened to his mother...
Anyways I'd be cool to see what gave Vergil such a thirst for power and for Capcom to put minds to rest.

But.....Back on topic.
I think if vergils half of DMC 3 was told, we'd still get same old DMC 3 as he didn't really do much.
The Vergil vs Mundus fight would be awesome though.
 
Nero really wasn't a very popular character overall, especially seeing as he's tied to the massive plot fail of DMC4. Frankly I'm stunned that Blue Roses figured into DmC, given that's iconography that's tangentially connected to Nero.
 
Janoosen said:
@VergilNeroDante It was already proven that Vergil survived in DMC1 (although at the time no one really knew who the other white haired guy was).
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According to DMC4's recap info, Vergil was actually already dead when he was Nero Angelo, meaning Mundus killed him post-DMC3 and shoved his soul in that armor.
 
Dante Redgrave said:
According to DMC4's recap info, Vergil was actually already dead when he was Nero Angelo, meaning Mundus killed him post-DMC3 and shoved his soul in that armor.
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Really? I was under the impression he was simply defeated and corrupted by Mundus, and that Nelo Angelo was a new kind of DT. If Mundus had just shoved his soul into the armor why did he have a physical form beneath the armor? Souls don't have physical bodies from what we've seen in the DMC games so far, which is why they're souls. Unless Vergil's soul somehow manifested itself, which I find hard to believe. But if that's what DMC4's recap says, I guess it is so. Although I have a hard time taking it seriously, the series has all kinds of contradictions to it.
 
Janoosen said:
Really? I was under the impression he was simply defeated and corrupted by Mundus, and that Nelo Angelo was a new kind of DT. If Mundus had just shoved his soul into the armor why did he have a physical form beneath the armor? Souls don't have physical bodies from what we've seen in the DMC games so far, which is why they're souls. Unless Vergil's soul somehow manifested itself, which I find hard to believe. But if that's what DMC4's recap says, I guess it is so. Although I have a hard time taking it seriously, the series has all kinds of contradictions to it.
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I think the idea is that a demonic presence possesses an inanimate object in order to exist on the plane of reality. Marrionettes are the souls of lesser demons bound to puppets, Blades are more powerful demons infesting ancient armor and dinosaur remains, etc. When he's going all out, Nelo Angelo is pulling a greater degree of his power into the realm of reality and into his armour, which is why when he's finally defeated in his helmet-less final form, he apparently discorporated for good.

It's alot like how Mundas was still capable of existing in reality even as his statue-form was shattering; as long as he has enough of his "anchor" to attach his soul to, it doesn't matter if Nelo revealed his mug in our world.

Or at least that's what I took from this series's hokey non-logic.
 
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