The arguments that don't work on you

[mrrandomlulz]

This is a thread where we post arguments that we disagree with so that people don't bring them up to us in other threads, I would like it if people who participated in this thread added a link to their post in their signature, and explained why the argument doesn't work (I have a feeling certain members are going to have a field day with this thread).
So without further ado.
These are the arguements that don't work on me. For me the arguments that I don't even think about considering valid are the "DmC is better than the original trilogy arguements"

The original DMCs were too hard!
I'm not kidding, I've actually ran into this argument before on Youtube in the comments section.
What makes this argument so invalid to me is the fact that Capcom have been making hard yet rewarding games that like to say "F you" to the player since the NES days. Be it Megaman 3's happy game over, Ghost N Goblin's underwear, or Resident Evil 4's many taunting game over screens. Classic Capcom games love to troll the player with their immense difficulty and then taunt them for not being able to avoid getting game over. The original DMC series is no exception, I personally laughed my butt off when I saw "Easy mode unlocked." because that was the game's way of saying "LOL YOU DIED" and FORCING me to get skilled at it to prove I didn't need easy mode. But to be fair, it wasn't DmC that stripped DMC of it's difficulty, it was DMC4.

DMC3 ripped off Inuyasha!

And DmC is the most original game in the world

 

[Demi-fiend]

You're begging for a flame war, aren't you? Request to close thread before it gets out of hand. No offense, random.

But to be fair, it wasn't DmC that stripped DMC of it's difficulty, it was DMC4.

This however, I can agree with. DMC4 wasn't as hard as DMC3, no matter how much the fanboys like to howl and scream that it is. After DMC3 DMD Turbo Mode, DMC4 DMD was a complete joke.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

DMC Dante looks too anime-ish !
Yes,because a tall,muscular albino guy with a beard who isn't even human is really anime,and I don't know if DMC were meant to be anime back in 2001.
And because Dante in DmC doesn't look like the ordinary action-movie badass you see in American movies.
AND ALSO BECAUSE LOOKS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A GAME. I SERIOUSLY HAVEN'T SEEN ANY GOOD GAMES WITH AN ANIME FEELING TO THEM.
They're also made by japanese people,what do you expect?

DMC is too cliche with the brotherly fighting and badass hero and all of that !
Because DmC isn't about this too,we also see the old cliche with : "the misunderstood teen in a terrible society".Old Hollywood cliche.
Let's face it,even if games have cliche,it's more important in which certain manner they're made and how they emotionally affect you.
Also,isn't the new Dante who's also trying to look like a cool teen from today doing all the things he does but in a bad way?
Characters are mostly meant to be relatable to us,but also to represent a wish for us to be like them or to admire them.Heroes are like that,and villains are the ones who represent human flaws but in a more unrelatable way to us.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Just what we need... another die-hard fan.

Look, carnie. DmC sold abysmally. You don't even need to worry about the series continuing at this point. DMC5 or some other equivalent will most likely take its place. There's no need to attack this game any further. As soon as you get the "60 fps & lock-on" action game that you (and the other fans) want, you'll forget that DmC even existed in the first place.

 

[Alittleacorn]

DmC is too edgy

This needs to be a comedy thread.

But yeah, I get annoyed people use the edgy in an argument, mostly because it doesn't make any sense to me. o_o

This what comes up for edgy in the dictionary:

1. nervously irritable; impatient and anxious.
2. sharp-edged; sharply defined, as outlines.
3. daringly innovative; on the cutting edge.

Unless it's a different term entirely that I'm missing.

 

[Demi-fiend]

This needs to be a comedy thread?

This needs to not be a thread at all. It never should have existed in the first place. I say this because it's a flame war waiting to happen.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

Buddy, I like the reboot.
Calling me a 'die hard fan' without knowing me doesn't say anything.I thought this is a forum for both kind of fans.Insulting a part of it won't make you any smarter.
There's a difference between writing some arguments which are WIDELY said by some people,and hating on a reboot.
Also, I wanted to prove that the reboot isn't any better in the arguments I just wrote and that there are some similarities which are present in both games.

You say you don't want to start a flame war,yet you try to reply with all kinds of messages if you see someone not agreeing with you,sorry to say it.

 

[Alittleacorn]

This needs to not be a thread at all. It never should have existed in the first place. I say this because it's a flame war waiting to happen.

The days when we could laugh about our misery, where have they gone? :'(

And you're very right, that's why I'm going to stay away in the safety of my oak tree before that happens. Join me, I have icecream :3

 

[Demi-fiend]

Calling me a 'die hard fan' without knowing me doesn't say anything.I thought this is a forum for both kind of fans.Insulting a part of it won't make you any smarter.

So, calling someone a fan is an insult now? I said "fan", not "fanatic".

Besides, you came onto this forum with nothing but hostile posts. I was just trying to get you to calm down.

It wasn't an insult, no matter how much you try to spin it.

Make me smarter? Maybe it's just me, but that definitely sounded like an insult, right there.

I once again request that this thread be closed.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

You're begging for a flame war, aren't you? Request to close thread before it gets out of hand. No offense, random.

This however, I can agree with. DMC4 wasn't as hard as DMC3, no matter how much the fanboys like to howl and scream that it is. After DMC3 DMD Turbo Mode, DMC4 DMD was a complete joke.

Again, this is just for everybody to post the arguments that don't work on them

 

[Demi-fiend]

Again, this is just for everybody to post the arguments that don't work on them

I hope so, random. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... this time. I just hope that this doesn't turn into another inferno.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

So, calling someone a fan is an insult now? I said "fan", not "fanatic".

Besides, you came onto this forum with nothing but hostile posts. I was just trying to get you to calm down.

It wasn't an insult, no matter how much you try to spin it.

Make me smarter? Maybe it's just me, but that definitely sounded like an insult, right there.

I once again request that this thread be closed.

It sounded like an insult because I know about your view on the DMC fans. If you didn't mean like that then I'm sorry.

 

[DreadnoughtDT]

The days when we could laugh about our misery, where have they gone? :'(

And you're very right, that's why I'm going to stay away in the safety of my oak tree before that happens. Join me, I have icecream :3

I'm down for that. I've burned my throat one too many times with my fire breath, some ice cream would work wonders. ^^

Oh, here's one that I despise with a passion...

If you like DmC you're not a true fan!

 

[MephistoCarnival]

Also, I didn't know expressing your opinion without insulting the series is a 'hostile' way of saying them. I didn't hate on DmC or DMC either. I try not to be ironic when it comes to them,I just wrote some arguments said by people who don't realise some stuff.That's all.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Also, I didn't know expressing your opinion without insulting the series is a 'hostile' way of saying them.

Yeah, but in my opinion, the implication was definitely there. And if you know my view on the DMC fans, then you have to ask yourself as to why I have those views.

Look, like I said before, I'm not defending either DmC series, I just don't like the way that some fans present their opinions. If they don't like the story, then that's fine, but the minute they say, "The story and gameplay aren't as good, because reasons," then I have a problem with it.

I myself have said that I agreed with a video poster when he said that "DmC wasn't an actual Devil May Cry game," because he presented his opinion in a polite and well-meaning way.

I can show you the thread where I posted the vid if you want to see it.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

It's not bad to present their opinions of what they don't like and what they like,especially if they have reasons,this way each of one us can provide with other arguments or to convience ourselves of something.

I actually had a problem with the name of this game... If it has attached to it the name " Devil May Cry" then expect something that's close to a DMC game.It's like gathering popularity based on an already popular game,especially if it's not the real thing.
For example,Tomb Raider reboot,it stays faithful to the original series,just bringing a new adventure on the same circumstances,but most things remain the same with it,that's why nobody is whining about it and people are pleased.Lara Croft is still Lara Croft.

Sure,show me.

 

[Alittleacorn]

It's not bad to present their opinions of what they don't like and what they like,especially if they have reasons,this way each of one us can provide with other arguments or to convience ourselves of something.

I actually had a problem with the name of this game... If it has attached to it the name " Devil May Cry" then expect something that's close to a DMC game.It's like gathering popularity based on an already popular game,especially if it's not the real thing.
For example,Tomb Raider reboot,it stays faithful to the original series,just bringing a new adventure on the same circumstances,but most things remain the same with it,that's why nobody is whining about it and people are pleased.Lara Croft is still Lara Croft.

Sure,show me.

I had a few things I didn't like with the new Lara, but mostly just the voice they choose for her [I wish they'd picked the voice actor for Sam, because her voiced sounded a little like the Lara from the very first Tomb Raider] that and it felt like they put too much focus on her becoming a survivor, rather than focusing more on the others in the team as well who didn't get enough screen time. But those are just little things, for the gameplay they really did nail it.

I do question though, if they changed Lara's appearance like they did Dante, would that have affected people's views? Because the thought of Lara with shorter hair or dressing differently might've put me off a little bit.

The name though, they could've worked on it. DmC: Devil May Cry. Devil May Cry: Devil May Cry. Or does that imply in a sequel the title would be change to DmC: Kick Some Ass, sort of how you have titles change in films without having numbers.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

I had a few things I didn't like with the new Lara, but mostly just the voice they choose for her [I wish they'd picked the voice actor for Sam, because her voiced sounded a little like the Lara from the very first Tomb Raider] that and it felt like they put too much focus on her becoming a survivor, rather than focusing more on the others in the team as well who didn't get enough screen time. But those are just little things, for the gameplay they really did nail it.

I do question though, if they changed Lara's appearance like they did Dante, would that have affected people's views? Because the thought of Lara with shorter hair or dressing differently might've put me off a little bit.

The name though, they could've worked on it. DmC: Devil May Cry. Devil May Cry: Devil May Cry. Or does that imply in a sequel the title would be change to DmC: Kick Some Ass, sort of how you have titles change in films without having numbers.

It's only me or her voice sounded like a porn movie? I had to mute my speakers so no one could hear the sounds she made.:lol:
I wouldn't have a problem with her appereance if they kept her personality the same,but I would have needed a close look to her old self,or I wouldn't feel very comfortable or familiarized with her anymore.

I would have liked another name to it,something that would have separate the game from the originals since it doesn't have a DMC feeling to me anymore and the circumstances are so very different.
They needed some little originality when coming with the title.

 

[Terrutas]

You can't relate to Dante because he's too fictional
I don't really think I need to elaborate on this "argument". If they didn't want you to relate to characters in fiction they wouldn't have given them something like a personality.

 

[LysseC]

If they changed the title, then would it still count as a reboot? And if not, I fear that people would have started complaining that this 'new game' was copying too much from DMC (the characters, the moves, the gameplay...).
The problem is that DmC, although changing many things from the old series, it still kept many other features that still make it recognizable. I am starting to think that it's up to each person's judgement about what aspects of the game are relevant to him/her to decide, in the end, if they appreciate DmC as a Devil May Cry game. I personally do, but I can understand that other people don't.
Although I agree with you that the name DmC: Devil May Cry is a bit... repetitive. Maybe a name like DmC: *something else* would have been better...