So new DMC animated series are coming to Netflix

[berto]

I actually didn't forget, it's in the playlist for the first video. It's the second song. I became aware of the trivia yesterday, but thank you.

That first video doesn't have a playlist. It just goes to the one video. I am supposed to click on something? It's not region locked, is it?

 

[BrawlMan]

That first video doesn't have a playlist. It just goes to the one video. I am supposed to click on something? It's not region locked, is it?

I doubled, checked, and I did fix the error. All you have to do is hit the play forward arrow, and it'll go to the next song. Sorry about that the first time around. I tested it yesterday and today, so it's working fine now. Hopefully you're not copyright region blocked.

 

[berto]

I doubled, checked, and I did fix the error. All you have to do is hit the play forward arrow, and it'll go to the next song. Sorry about that the first time around. I tested it yesterday and today, so it's working fine now. Hopefully you're not copyright region blocked.

Copy. I'll check it later. I have to get to work, but it's unlikely that they'll region lock music for a show they're promoting. If they don't want you to listen to their songs they're going about it the wrong way.

 

[windleopard]

Clearly we are not the same, but I'm just saying I would've had a better time making an adaptation if I had the resources.

I'm kinder to the show than most and I can agree with this.

Spoiler

I'm just kind of bummed Lucia didn't play any role in a story featuring Arius and Argosax.

 

[BrawlMan]

I'm kinder to the show than most and I can agree with this.

Spoiler

I'm just kind of bummed Lucia didn't play any role in a story featuring Arius and Argosax.

Season 2 defintely is a huge improvement over the first season. Better animation and action sequences, better story and characters a bit more close to their game counterparts via development, and the series actually is having fun with itself without going too serious. Similar to the games, but when hard moments hit, they actually hit.

As for Lucia not appearing, I already knew it wasn't going to happen. Season 2 was crowded as it already was, and in order for it to work, they would have either kill Baines (he should have died sooner, but glad we never have to see him, nor DARKCOM ever again), or drop Vergil's arc (it was never going to happen, because he's too big of draw and part of the conflict at it most important and personal) and save him for season 3. I doubt it personally, but they might have her play a supporting role in Season 3, but with the focus on Lady finding out Arkham is alive as Jester, and her going off on her own, and Vergil planning upsurping Mundus and taking over Makai. I am still interested either way, and I will happily take box sets of both seasons. Which reminds me, I have to see when Nocturne Sesaon 2 comes out on DVD/Blu-Ray.

EDIT: It came out in January of this year, and it is on sale right now! Sold!

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

I am glad you liked it @BrawlMan , but you legit might be the only person i know from here and in general in the fandom that has.

So more power to you lol. For me it is more like a parody, and is dmc in name only.

 

[BrawlMan]

I am glad you liked it @BrawlMan , but you legit might be the only person i know from here and in general in the fandom that has.

So more power to you lol. For me it is more like a parody, and is dmc in name only.

Genuine thank you from me. I admit, it's barely in-name only when talking about the first season. Second season, carries the spirit of the franchise much more by comparison. Part of me likes the Netflix show, because it is catharsis for how really lackluster the 2007 Anime is. Patty I found annoying and pointless. She is better than Chris Thorndyke, but that is not much of a milestone to pass. The action is either over too quickly, boring, or happens off screen. Outside of 4 or 5 episodes, you could skip most of the show and not miss much. For whatever problems DMC Netflix has, real or perceived/exaggerated, it does what people love doing in the games and seeing the action cut-scenes for most of the games (with Season 2 doing a much better job with the action, and almost on par with the Castlevania action sequences). I still find the story in DMCN, more interesting than whatever the hell was going on with DmC's (2013) story

 

[Cosmefulanito94]

I just finished the second season and I liked the arc they gave Arius. They gave him more prominence and managed to explore his potential as a villain, since in Devil May Cry 2 the game really doesn’t do him justice. What they did with Mundus was great too. He’s still an imposing, manipulative villain who sells a convincing lie (he lies to Vergil about who attacked his house, then when he gets exposed he comes up with another lie that, honestly, if we didn’t already know him, we’d probably believe it).
That fight against Argosax was a really nice touch.

Dante has more screen time, but not because of his own merit it’s because he’s paired with Lady. If you really look at it, the actual focus goes to Lady, Arius, and Vergil.

The season is a bit better than the previous one, but it still has several problems, and the main one is Adi Shankar, who seems desperate to make HIMSELF the representative face of DMC, almost like he wants to forcibly take the place of Hideki Kamiya/Hideaki Itsuno by gifting to the audience memes and fanservice (Vergil saying he is “the storm” or the plastic chair are extremely meme moments that people seem to love them. Personally, I find it a bit pretentious), like the Dante/Lady kiss even if he managed to justify it, it’s still there to please the audience, once again. Basically, if people started asking for Dante and Trish to kiss, Shankar would probably do it just to become more popular with the audience (he comes across like that 30+ year-old guy trying to impress teenagers by doing things 15-year-olds would do just to make them laugh and applaud him).

The music is another huge problem. It’s badly placed, and they’re songs that don’t fit this franchise at all, like “Bodies” when Vergil fights Darkcom, or using Evanescence, Avril Lavigne, and Papa Roach beyond the first episode. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if season three includes Chop Suey or The Kill.
The tracks in Devil May Cry 3 are perfect because they match the game’s themes, the ones in Devil May Cry 4 follow that same line, and the music in Devil May Cry 5 moves slightly away from its predecessors but still isn’t used during the most important or critical moments...even DmC handles it better. In the anime, this ties back to what I said earlier: Adi wants to be remembered as the “savior of the franchise” by fulfilling the whims of his followers on X, but no, popular 2000s songs just don’t fit. “Bodies” almost made me quit watching.

Argosax’s design is awful, and it’s a shame they left out Lucia. I don’t think she’ll return because her backstory is tied to Arius, and the next season will probably focus on Lady/Arkham and Dante/Mundus.

Lady no longer insults constantly like she did in season one, that was unbearable to listen to, so that’s an improvement. Buuuuut they still kept her plot armor, like surviving multiple stab wounds (okay, she healed with Darkcom’s machine, fair enough), or getting dragged into a building, or how a group of trained soldiers somehow can’t hit her at point-blank range while she’s standing still and distracted... yeeeeeeah, but then a terrified little girl, trembling and with zero weapons experience, manages to kill Chi.

Season three might improve a bit, but the main problem will still remain: Adi comes across as somewhat arrogant based on how he talks on X and in some interviews. He’s obsessed with becoming the new face of DMC and will probably keep adding memes. I don’t know if this happens much in the English-speaking fandom, but in LATAM there’s basically a civil war between the people who love the anime while downplaying the games, and the people who hate the anime for not following the games’ direction... funnily enough, most of the people on the anime’s side haven’t even played all five games and only watched summaries on YouTube/TikTok.

 

[BrawlMan]

I don’t know if this happens much in the English-speaking fandom, but in LATAM there’s basically a civil war between the people who love the anime while downplaying the games, and the people who hate the anime for not following the games’ direction... funnily enough, most of the people on the anime’s side haven’t even played all five games and only watched summaries on YouTube/TikTok.

The "civil war" technically exists on the Western side, but it's mainly grifters and assholes who aren't even fans either, or only know the games via osmosis, and ironically, DMC5 memes. There are legit fans out there with grievances with the Netflix show on YouTube, but they tend to get overshadowed by the grifters, or the more toxic fans who go out of their way to insult people for enjoying the show, and said enjoyers aren't bothering anyone. Another issue, is that you have those acting like the 2007 anime is some holy grail or "Shakespeare" by comparison. Even if I didn't like the Netflix show, at least there are exciting action sequences, and something is done with the soundtrack, even if some songs might feel out of place. YMMV, but I actually like the soundtrack selection on offer. At least both Netflix shows, mainly Season 2, bothered to actually use songs from the games. That is something Madhouse DMC had never did.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

I thought the og anime was bland as hell to be honest, but the one thing it had over the new one is the characters felt like their game counterparts. Not some mutated bizarro versions that have had their personalities and backgrounds changed completely.

While season 2 had some great action, i want the characters i know or at least a close proximation. However what i got was very far off and it made it uncomfortable and weird, which was offputting and made me cringe a lot. The show did have some positives, but i feel like they were heavily outweighed by negatives. It was not as boring as the original anime, but that one at least felt like home to a dmc fan in a sense. Also the battles with sparda's apprentices were great.

 

[BrawlMan]

I thought the og anime was bland as hell to be honest, but the one thing it had over the new one is the characters felt like their game counterparts. Not some mutated bizarro versions that have had their personalities and backgrounds changed completely.

Well, the anime takes place in the game continuity (after 3 & 1, and before Novel#2, 2, and 4), so it makes sense. That said, Dante, Trish's, and Lady's more slightly jerkish personalities stuck for DMC4 (albeit, more so played for comedy), but they at least scaled it back in DMC5, thank Sparda. Though I am not going to lie, Lady could be an unlikeable hard case sometimes in DMC 2007. I get Dante owes you money and everything, but you take it too far sometimes. Honestly, Dante get a major win over both of them in the ending DMC5 makes for some of the bullshit they pulled in the anime, or the Drama CDs taking place in-between the anime.

 

[berto]

I think I'm going to write out my grievances in an organized fashion, unlike last time. That basically means I'll be doing it on an episode by episode basis.

I wasn't going to, at all, but in therapy you are often encouraged to journal your thoughts. People say it has therapeutic value so I'll do that. I'll stick in spoiler tabs so that it doesn't take up too much space and if people what to read it or not they can easily ignore it or not.

I'll start with this, and this is a very common phrase I've used in the last decade or so, mostly with what has been affectionately called NuTrek, referring to the modern era of Star Trek which started with the Abrams films and has proliferated with the new TV shows, and that is that if I had started with this I wouldn't be a fan. There is nothing appealing to me about this show as its own entity and if it didn't have the name Devil May Cry I wouldn't watch it. Ironically, I have very similar issues with how both Star Trek (one of my other favorite franchises) and DMC are being treated by the people running the TV shows.

I also don't intent to treat this as its own entity. If it has the DMC name on it I will make the association. That being said, I don't have any intention of judging it by how similar or different the narrative is from the series. We've established that the story is a unique take, so be it. But that's just the story. Everything else I will be comparing.

Anyway, disclaimer over. That pretty much tells you my general feelings about this show so you'll know what to expect. On to my thoughts on the actual episode.

Spoiler: Episode 1

And once again we are given an entire first episode where Dante is basically missing from his own show. He is far more central in the second season but you wouldn't know it from watching the first episode.

Spoiler: Start

The actual start is so random and irrelevant to DMC that it's actually surreal. I've been playing the games again and there is nothing in this entire sequence that reminds me of the games.

Spoiler: Enemies

No, the enemies from the games doing cameos are not enough for me to pretend these two things share the same spirit.

You got a soldier praying with an actual cross, a rock song that is only playing because it's from the decade as the games, same nonsensical things that keep happening just because, and that infiltration sequence. Nothing about this says DMC, and I'm playing the games, they're very fresh in my memory.

Yeah, sure, great song, very catchy. Hummed them then, hum them now. Still doesn't make them fitting, not to DMC nor the scene. Being from the same decade isn't enough, either. You know what else was popular in the 2000's? Friends. Shall we add I'll be There for You? How about the Malcolm in the Middle song? I get it, most of these were AMV and VGMV songs but that fans made but having this song on the background of this scene would be like having the same song on a war scene. Not particularly fitting.

There is a very fundamental issue with the show, not as an adaptation but as a work of fiction. It's something that I've mentioned repeatedly and it still holds in season 2. This show is illogical. It does things for the sake of it, even when it doesn't make sense, and while one might not be able to articulate it you can always tell something is off. That basically means that the show makes no sense. There is no logic to why people do things or why they actually work out except for the fact that they need to often times just for the plot to go as the writers want it to. Yeah, you can take any work of fiction and pull it apart but this particular show is very egregious in this regard.

Spoiler: Fire

Quick example in this episode (we'd be here all day if we point them all out) an escudo gets shot at from all directions to no effect but, suddenly, one crucial soldier shot him, with the same gun as every else who just shot him to no avail, and it takes his head off and puts a big hole in his chest... because it'd look cool. And there are plenty more examples of this.

Spoiler: Demons

Biggest one that kept coming to mind while watching this episode was the fact that we're expected to believe that all these demons are actually humans. You can't expect people to actually believe this is a scientifically feasible bunch of humans that evolved into these very fantastical creatures (who eat humans, by the way).

You can't have it both ways. You can't denounce religion while using it's icons. You can't call it science and use it like magic, midival magic, at that. You can't say they're so much more advanced than us only to have them be the victims.

Also, does anyone find it weird that two legendary actors had their last roles on this show? I mean... odd. Which brings me to one of the things that I am always impressed with, sincerely, about the show, which is the voice acting, in English, Spanish and Japanese, which are the languages I've watched the show on. Vergil and Jester were especially good in 2 in the Spanish dub. That aspect of the show I have nothing but props for.

Then there's this.

Spoiler: The Chair

I hate this so much. It was funny twice, and not even that funny, but now it's insufferable. What is the attachment here? I think I already said this but the memes should never bleed into the source material. This would be like them putting the emperor on an escalator telling storm troopers to go f'k themselves in an actual Star Wars project. Let people tell their jokes, never discourage it, but unless your work is a comedy don't let the joke become the project. I cannot emphasize how much this cheapens things. How this shows that the franchise keeps getting more and more silly and people keep encouraging it and once the franchise becomes a parody of itself everyone will wonder why. I don't think we need this to be an overdramatic series but there is a balance and we've crossed that line. Here's proof.

Spoiler: References

On another note, because this one might just be me but these are my thoughts so I'll say it: enough with the damn references. There are easter eggs and then there's overdoing it and I find myself just rolling my eyes at all of them. It's why I didn't like DmC using quotes from the other games a their Trophies/Achievements. One or two, sure, that's fine, but every single one? The Superman and Lois show did this, too, which I didn't like but tolerated because the show was wholesome and earned some slack, but I'm tired of all the references shows like to toss around.

Spoiler: V

Did they really make a 3D render of Vergil with the coat and hair? Blimey, that's goofy. I honestly don't know if I'm supposed to take this show seriously or not.

Episode ends with that song, the one I called. Bodies. Why? Because it was used in every single trailer in the 2000's and it was so obvious that it was going to come up it was comical. Add to that that it seems Vergil is an allegory for a Mexican immigrant crossing the California desert... not even subtle about it. Border patrol? Entered our realm illegally? Using that song really clashes, too, considering it's a very white boy song to parallel a Mexican implication of circumstance.

Spoiler: Still on this

Speaking of bad political commentary, I am sick of it. It was stupid in DmC, it's not better here. Thank God these people aren't in charge of My Little Pony, Adventure Time or Courage the Cowardly Dog. Worst still, they're not even subtle about it and if they think they actually are that'd add a layer of bad to this I wouldn't know how to describe.

Bottom line, it was not a good start. The parallels to DmC are blatant but I honestly don't think they were intentional. I just think both project leads honestly think this is a good way to interpret the series and it's frustrating.

Worse still is the fact that this show is a big hit. That just means we can expect more.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

Agree with so much of what you said above @berto , and i too am dreading the thoughts of and reality of there being more seasons.

I wish i had the willpower and lack of wonder to not take a peak, but i know i will and i know i will likely be even more disappointed and wound up than i was with season 1 and 2.

 

[BrawlMan]

Worse still is the fact that this show is a big hit. That just means we can expect more.

i too am dreading the thoughts of and reality of there being more seasons.

I see no point in dreading anything. Even if I disliked the show, i would have just gotten over myself and moved on to something else. We still have the greatness that is the actual games. No one can ever take that away. There is some benefit as the people who watch this show actually have interest in the game or learning more about the characters from the games. So not everything is a net negative, as you think.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

I mean dreading in the sense, a season 3 could be even worse than season 2 was for me as adi ups the ante. I will wait and see, but i have 0 optimism for it winning me round under any capacity. Good action on it's own, is not enough to bump the show up in merit for me.

I know that it takes nothing away from the games too, that is the one shining thing in this that i am grateful for. The fact that none of this is canon to the mainline lore.

 

[berto]

I see no point in dreading anything.

The issue is that elements of the show will start to seep into the games. As much as people want to deny it elements of DmC are very percent in 5 and elements of this show will likely start to become very present in the series as we move forward, especially since the show is doing well.

 

[BrawlMan]

The issue is that elements of the show will start to seep into the games. As much as people want to deny it elements of DmC are very percent in 5 and elements of this show will likely start to become very present in the series as we move forward, especially since the show is doing well.

Not inherently a bad thing. You might forget, but the fifth mainline entry took those elements to much better effect. Also, the reboot was just taking from the fourth mainline entry, and either streamlined it more or made it worse before the definitive edition. The Resident Evil games took more from the movies and barely, anybody complained about those aside from the super hardcore fans. Yes, it was for better and for worse, but most people didn't complain about it in RE4 and RE5 (which was the best selling title for pretty much the whole decade). Any complaints were a loud minority. RE6 nobody is wrong about, but that game was trying to please everybody.

Whatever elements do come up in the next DMC game, will be once again, either to better effect or just done in small and subtle ways. I highly doubt they're gonna apply that to either Dante, Vergil, Nero, nor Lady from a character perspective. All of their respective character arcs have been done. If any elements from the netflix show does show up, it'll either be for original created demons or characters. Who knows, but there's no point wasting time being worried about it, and having a heart attack. I am not an old man, but I got tired of that stuff even when I was in my late 20s.

 

[windleopard]

Dante has more screen time, but not because of his own merit it’s because he’s paired with Lady. If you really look at it, the actual focus goes to Lady, Arius, and Vergil.

Dante had the most screen time in the last season. I really don't get this criticism that the focus isn't on him just because the camera isn't on him every millisecond.

The music is another huge problem. It’s badly placed, and they’re songs that don’t fit this franchise at all, like “Bodies” when Vergil fights Darkcom,

Not sure I agree with this. It's a song whose chorus is "Let the bodies hit the floor" and is played during a scene of Vergil slaughtering people. You can hardly get a more appropriate use of a song than that.

Argosax’s design is awful, and it’s a shame they left out Lucia. I don’t think she’ll return because her backstory is tied to Arius, and the next season will probably focus on Lady/Arkham and Dante/Mundus.

Yeah, as much as I liked how they improved Arius, I'm disappointed Lucia got left in the dust.

Lady no longer insults constantly like she did in season one, that was unbearable to listen to, so that’s an improvement. Buuuuut they still kept her plot armor, like surviving multiple stab wounds (okay, she healed with Darkcom’s machine, fair enough), or getting dragged into a building, or how a group of trained soldiers somehow can’t hit her at point-blank range while she’s standing still and distracted... yeeeeeeah, but then a terrified little girl, trembling and with zero weapons experience, manages to kill Chi.

Lady in DMC 3 barely reacted to being stabbed in the leg with a serrated bayonet blade. She already has plot armor just by surviving the events of the game.

Season three might improve a bit, but the main problem will still remain: Adi comes across as somewhat arrogant based on how he talks on X and in some interviews. He’s obsessed with becoming the new face of DMC and will probably keep adding memes. I don’t know if this happens much in the English-speaking fandom, but in LATAM there’s basically a civil war between the people who love the anime while downplaying the games, and the people who hate the anime for not following the games’ direction... funnily enough, most of the people on the anime’s side haven’t even played all five games and only watched summaries on YouTube/TikTok.

I think the best way to enjoy this show is to just ignore Shankar's online antics and remember that this is a collaborative effort no matter what narrative he tries to spin.

The issue is that elements of the show will start to seep into the games. As much as people want to deny it elements of DmC are very percent in 5 and elements of this show will likely start to become very present in the series as we move forward, especially since the show is doing well.

Devil May Cry is not Mortal Kombat Capcom is not Netherealm Studios. Capcom isn't in the business of integrating elements from non-canon media into the source material, as evidenced by the complete lack of Alice or any of the movie characters and plots in the Resident Evil games. Morrison is only in DMC 5 because the anime he debuted in was part of the games' universe and even then, they still made changes to him.

 

[LegendaryDarkKnightSparda]

Spoiler

It's Mundus, a guy who by his own admission doesn't know Eva and is only making guesses as to what Sparda and Eva's relationship was like. It's not like Sparda returned to Mundus's side after leaving Eva.

I feel better already

 

[LegendaryDarkKnightSparda]

Nothing against CBR, but most of the critics are positive toward season two from what i've seen so far. A lot of them, like it even more than the first season.

As for my views:

I like Season 2, and it's a huge improvement over Season 1. I consider Season 1 okay and a 6/10. They somehow made Arius actually a cool villain and threatening. Lady still swears in Season 2, but it is at least toned down enough. The action scenes get even better, and there is not much CGI. It still there, but not as noticeable. There is pretty much going to be a Season 3 with the way it ends. This season is an 8/10 for me.

Agree with Arius part