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re: what makes DmC Dante relatable

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This is the reopening of the NT Dante relatable thread, sorry if I mangled up the name.

I guess for me, I don't know if I relate to the the new Dante since I have no idea why he does the things that he does.For me, relatibility means that I understand the character and his motivations and what actions he/she takes and I can't do that yet. That doesn't mean I like him any less.

@tocool74-
The new Dante did actually held a conversation with the hooded chick in the tgs demo.

@cool demon- I'm not saying turn Dante into monkey, I'm saying they should put the same amount of effort in writing dante's character that nt did in monkey's.

A correlation that dmc or at least dmc under kobayshi had with twilight was that both people in charge didn't take risks or want to do anything interesting with characters.

I think a big part of me relating to a character is how much the character cares about the world around him so the reason why I don't like Dante after 1 is because I couldn't get that he cared about anyone else or the world around him.
 
I said that it's stupid to make a character so that fans can relate to them. And i will stick by that. But developing a character is the right way.

A example of a developed character:
DMC Dante. He's developed but based on what i hear he's not close as developed as Monkey.

Not saying Monkey is cooler than Dante but a character must have deep character development.


But like always i don't really relate anything in particular with DmC Dante. The only relateable thing is that his mind is in turmoil because of mothers death. But that's not my reason for turmoil.
 
I think a big part of me
relating to a character is how
much the character cares about
the world around him so the
reason why I don't like Dante
after 1 is because I couldn't get that he cared about anyone
else or the world around him.
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Y'know, even in DMC4, he showed his care and concern for the people. After he regains Yamato and destroys the hell-gate, Trish comes to him to ask if he needed any help, to which he replies that she'd better help the people to get as far as possible.

Doesn't that show his care and his responsibility which comes with his power?
 
Well, NT most certainly better put as much effort into Dante as they did Monkey, that the entire reason Capcom went to them to beggin with.
 
Z218 said:
@tocool74-
The new Dante did actually held a conversation with the hooded chick in the tgs demo.

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yea, a very short converstation....

All I am saying is I think its to earlier to just say this character is already more relatable to a Dante that has already been established in atleast 4 released games.

This new Dante has not had much revealed about him so far.

And now he is supposed to be more relatable?

I don't buy it sorry.

I pointed out alot of reasons why DMC Dante is more relatable "currently" than DmC Dante and I really do not feel like posting them again.

But IMO he has shown alot more relatable qualities than this DmC Dante thats for sure.
 
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
I can see how DmC Dante seems so relatable compared to DMC Dante. But that is just my point of view, a view some share with me. From your point of view it isn't so. Neither of us are wrong or right, it's a matter of perspective.
 
Asmodaius said:
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
I can see how DmC Dante seems so relatable compared to DMC Dante. But that is just my point of view, a view some share with me. From your point of view it isn't so. Neither of us are wrong or right, it's a matter of perspective.
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You really did not point out anything I did not already know.

Of course its just my opinion.

I made that much pretty obvious in my post.

And my opinion does not hold any weight over yours or anyone elses.

I never implied nor stated that it did so why are your posting this kind of post towards me?

It just baffles me really.

In the other thread I was accused of apparently talking down or implying that someone is stupid (they know who they are) when I obviously did not.

I do not try to pass my posts off as facts.

But this is once again offtopic.

Lets now derail this topic now shall we?
 
Sheesh, no need to get so defensive. And it wasn't pointed just towards you, hence why I didn't quote you. It was meant as an overall statement.
 
Asmodaius said:
Sheesh, no need to get so defensive. And it wasn't pointed just towards you, hence why I didn't quote you. It was meant as an overall statement.
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Well you did post it right under my post.

If you really wanted to convey that it was for everyone than it would have been best to say so.

And the reason why I got defensive is because like I mentioned earlier I was accused of talking down to someone like they were stupid which is something I try to avoid doing at all costs.

You know and many others know how many times I have relayed my point about everyone's opinions being equal and respecting them.

Why would I turn around and talk to someone like they are stupid?

The short answer is I would not.

So obviously I took offense to that.

So sorry for being so defensive with you.

And sorry for the offtopic post everyone.

ONTOPIC

I think in time this Dante's character will be fleshed out. At that time I think it would be a good idea for people to form a full opinion on whether he is more relatable than the original Dante. Because right now its just to early IMO. Like you have always said Asmo, "Its far to early to form a full opinion on whether you hate this game or whether it will suck".

So why should this be any different?
 
@cool demon, I'm a little confused at your statement. So what does relatable mean to you?
@Dante incognito- I see your point but it came too late in the game to make me care plus I think I was blinded by my hate for kobayashi half as sing everything to notice.
 
Relateable means what it means which is to be able to relate to Dante's character. For example if my mother was murdered then i would be able to relate to DmC story and Dante very deeply. But it depends on how Ninja theory portray Dante during the period. If they base the reaction to murder of Dante's mother on how people in real life react to such times.

Another example:
if i had punk look i would be able to relate to Dante's look.

Inner feelings are stuff that everyone can relate to independt of looks.

Oh wait you meant ToCool74 or me?
 
At this point I've only got two points to make.

First: There is far too little of the character to claim he is ether this or that. To claim that he has traits we haven't seen is pure especulation and caries as much weight. To be honest I think this tread has been made far too early, it should've been made atleast when a story trailer or a cutsceen had been released.

Last: There seems to be a lot of weight been put on how relatable the character is as though he will be judged solely on that criteria. Relatable by no means equals likable, nor is it a requirement for it. There are pleanty of likable characters that one could not claim to be relatacble. While it helps for a character to have a certain trait that one can relate to it's not a must. Appeal comes in many forms.
 
Umm... I think the point of relation to a character has to do with connection. It's not the style or looks of the character you relate to, or even the direct situation, it's the reactions and emotions of the character in that situation. I relate to the new Dante's position in life. It's a place we all have been or will be. Finding who we are and deciding who we will be. If I walk into a room and look around I don't say "None of these people have haircuts like mine...My god, I can't relate to any of them!" It's the reason we are all here that brings us together.
 
Let me ask you guys this question,

Which of these unnamed "persons" do you guys think you can relate more to?

Person A

1.A person crying when he loses a friend
2.A person crying when he loses a brother
3.A person feeling remorse when for he dead mother
4.A person eating pizza
5.A person eating sundais
6.A person listening to music
7.A person helping those in need
8.A person caring about his friends
9.A person cherishing a memento left behind to him

or....

Person B

1.B person being helpless while being tortured
2.B person having dark hair and modern clothes
3.B person smoking.

I'm pretty sure you guys could guess which character is who, so my question is, out of what I have listed which one would you think you could relate to more?
 
In all fairness I'm sure there'll be more to Dino than just that, we need to give it time.
 
berto said:
In all fairness I'm sure there'll be more to Dino than just that, we need to give it time.
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obviously,

But thats my point.

As I also said earlier, its far to early IMO to try to say who is more relatable.

As I have shown just now there are very few human/relatable qualities shown so far for the DmC Dante. In time his character will be fleshed out and we will get more of his backstory. When that time comes THAT is when I think people should form a full opinion on which is more relatable.

Because right now DMC Dante has the advantage of already being a established character.
 
@cool demon- I meant you.

To be honest, I don't think lod in the other thread meant for you too compare the two dante's, he just meant for you to explain why you found the nt Dante relatable.
 
Z218 said:
@cool demon- I meant you.

To be honest, I don't think lod in the other thread meant for you too compare the two dante's, he just meant for you to explain why you found the nt Dante relatable.
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It is VERY hard for people to NOT compare the two Dante's.
It's odd though... I see some people on here say that DMC Dante and DmC Dante are two completely different characters, yet they keep comparing the two. Personally, I still see the connection between them as being the same character, though many disagree with that. But if they really are two completely different characters... then why are we on a DMC forum discussing this character? If DmC is a completely other game than DMC, shouldn't the game NOT be part of this discussion forum? If DMC and DmC really has no connection at all, then DmC wouldn't be part of this forum to begin with.

So of course people will compare the two, because all in all, they are the same character, but DmC Dante is a reinterpretation of DMC Dante who is set in an alternate universe that goes parallel with the universe of the original series. And I think that, sceptic or not, everyone knows this deep inside, but some just don't want to accept it and so they keep trying to differentiate the two with all their power.

I don't say this to belittle anyone, this is just how I see it.

I don't think anyone can make the question "What do you think of DmC Dante?" without someone saying "He isn't DMC Dante."...
 
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