Pre DmC Vergil and Dante to now

[ChibiVerg]

So as suggested by another user, lets talk about Vergil and Dante before DmC to now. By before it can be waaaaaay back when the twins were sharing womb space and to now is right up until we see super saiyan Vergil leading and army of demons and Dante well we're going to assume Dante is doing something with killing demons.

However i'm most interested in what everyone thinks about Dante Vergil before DmC. What do you think they was like as kids? When puberty struck? Were they the awesome jock football players, or the nerdy dorks reading comics at the back of the class?

 

[Loopy]

So as suggested by another user, lets talk about Vergil and Dante before DmC to now. By before it can be waaaaaay back when the twins were sharing womb space and to now is right up until we see super saiyan Vergil leading and army of demons and Dante well we're going to assume Dante is doing something with killing demons.

However i'm most interested in what everyone thinks about Dante Vergil before DmC. What do you think they was like as kids? When puberty struck? Were they the awesome jock football players, or the nerdy dorks reading comics at the back of the class?

I'll have a guess and what they were like as teenagers. Seems like Dante spent most of his time in juvenile detention run by demons, fighting police like that image showed, possibly joined a gang (if Bob's news report can be belived) and then wound up in that Hellfire prison. So Dante spent most of his teenage years just trying to survie and being on the run from demons.

And if Dante had actually gone to school, I think he would have been expelled very quickly.Knowing his luck, the teacher would be a demon.

Vergil...there was an article a while back saying he made millions developing security software before he left shcool. So from that we can get that he went to school, spent a lot of time working on that software program and computers, and then graduated shcool. Vergil also mentioned hacking to Dante during the break in to Mundus' office. So that's about all we know with what he was doing.

 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

DmC Vergil
Even though Vergil is an insecure computer geek I certainly don't picture him awkward or shy in school; he seems a little to well spoken and charismatic for that although I'm sure he was quite reserved. With his adoptive family's wealth, his own wealth, his intelligence, his douche bag prep fashion sense and classic good looks I can see him being pretty popular. Since he's also half angel and demon, he wouldn't lose in a fight so he's bound to impress quite a few ladies.Oh and he was totally a closet Dork who had a stash of comics and porn mags under his bed.

DMC 3 Vergil
This Vergil is a lot harder for me to judge because we don't know a lot about him aside from the fact that he failed to protect his mother and wants more power. But I'll take a guess that he was the super serious guy that had no time for girls and probably was a loner who didn't have any male friends either. I'm sure the women liked the bad boy and wondered what it would be like to be his girl if they could melt his icy exterior but were too afraid to try. He seems like a male ice queen to be honest. I doubt he even knew what girls were and when he did finally discover them he was so awkward that he had to get a hooker to have his kid.
:troll:

Someone else can take a crack at Dante, I don't love him half as much. :troll:

 

[ChibiVerg]

DmC Vergil
Even though Vergil is an insecure computer geek I certainly don't picture him awkward or shy in school; he seems a little to well spoken and charismatic for that although I'm sure he was quite reserved. With his adoptive family's wealth, his own wealth, his intelligence, his douche bag prep fashion sense and classic good looks I can see him being pretty popular. Since he's also half angel and demon, he wouldn't lose in a fight so he's bound to impress quite a few ladies.Oh and he was totally a closet Dork who had a stash of comics and porn mags under his bed.

Someone else can take a crack at Dante, I don't love him half as much. :troll:

Haha! Vergil was probably pretty charismatic when he had to. He was probably one of those kids who could pull off awesome presentations and get straight As and have kids going " Hey dude could you help me with my homework D:?" and all the girls would pretend to need his help just so he'd have to sit within a 2 meter radius of them to help them out. I never got his fashion sense... it's prep but so extreme I don't even know preps that would dress like him. I can imagine him being those boys in highschool always in a pair of designer jeans and a dress shirt. I wouldn't be surprised if he asked girls out to dances that everyone said would look cute with him just to entertain everyone at school.

I'd comment on DMC 3 Vergil.. but theres not much to say but "A Woman? What is this you speak of?". He'd also probably go "What the F*** is a computer...?"

Hmm Dante....well for DmC Dante they may have tried to get him to do school work in Juvi... that obviously didn't work. I think he probably hang out in alley ways or a group of street kids. He'd be that kid who'd steal from the general store and forcing the fat guy behind the counter to go "HEY THIEF!" It'd be pretty cool if Dante learnt parkour and that was how he escaped so easily (Yes I like Mirror's Edge... don't judge me ><"!!).

As for DMC 3 Dante... er.. actually I forget if we found out how he got his little DevilMayCry HQ place... but obviously he wasn't that much of a trouble kid if he could afford a place. Yeah DMC 3 Dante is too cool to steal from the general, like how hes too cool to smoke.

Which brings up the question... where does either Dantes get the money for pizza?

 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

Haha! Vergil was probably pretty charismatic when he had to. He was probably one of those kids who could pull off awesome presentations and get straight As and have kids going " Hey dude could you help me with my homework D:?" and all the girls would pretend to need his help just so he'd have to sit within a 2 meter radius of them to help them out. I never got his fashion sense... it's prep but so extreme I don't even know preps that would dress like him. I can imagine him being those boys in highschool always in a pair of designer jeans and a dress shirt. I wouldn't be surprised if he asked girls out to dances that everyone said would look cute with him just to entertain everyone at school.

You're right Vergil does take it to a whole new level of extreme but prep can get pretty weird. I used to date one of those creatures so I have seen it and laughed. here you go, there are some freaky looking styles on here. Maybe it's not even prep but I get confused with labels ha.
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/preppy style
I would have definitely pretended to be the girl failing my french class to get near him; I was actually always the shy girl who needed an excuse to talk to people.

(Yes I like Mirror's Edge... don't judge me ><"!!).

Mirror's Edge edge eh? I've actually never played it, you're talking about the game right? No judgment from me. I occasionally listen to lady gaga and love Banjo Kazooie. I just gave you plenty of fuel to make fun of and judge with me with, so there. :troll:

Which brings up the question... where does either Dantes get the money for pizza?
As for both Dante's getting pizza, I picture DmC Dante just stealing money and that's what he uses to buy it with. Or he could have been working as a carny making a little bit of dough. His trailer almost looks like it's in a fictional Atlantic city boardwalk.

DMC 3 Dante probably saved a little cash from the demons he killed and had just enough for pizza and beer after paying his bills. He does seem a bit more like a more responsible Dante even though he's still a clown

 

[DragonMaster2010]

DmC Vergil
I think Vergil was the stereotypical perfect boy. He wore the best clothes, was loaded rich, was good looking, could win a fight, and was on the A honor roll and Principle honor roll every year. He's also got a sort of sophisticated character and has this attitude of flirting with girls if he wanted something from them. Hell if he was in Oran High School Host Club, he'd be the boss and fit right in with tea in one hand and a love struck girl in the other. I'm sure he also had formal training with a sword, presumably kendo, because he probably took interest in the ways of Bushido and iaido.

DmC Dante
I think Dante was the stereotypical rebel. He wore leather jackets, rude, had that bad boy mentality, obviously gets into fights all the time, and was always getting straight D's and F's with his grades. Plus girls just love a bad boy so I'm sure he's had his admirers and those slutty girls who want to be bad. He's definitely a K project type guy who would be a king if he wanted to. Since Dante was raised in a sort of streets like world, he's probably been taught how to use guns to shoot demons, and he's also probably used blunt weapons like bats as his sword training.

 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

DmC Vergil

DmC Dante
Plus girls just love a bad boy so I'm sure he's had his admirers and those slutty girls who want to be bad.

Hey man, Vergil is my first choice but I wouldn't kick Dante out of bed and I totally don't want to be a bad girl, just a slightly corrupted good one.
:troll:

 

[ChibiVerg]

I feel like if Dante was ever in highschool he'd be the bully, stuffing innocent geeks nerds into lockers and having multiple bad girls hanging off his arms D: Plus you'd hear a lot of "DANTE DETENTION NOW!"

Edit because I have more to say: So how do you think Vergil asked his date out to prom? Did he even bother? I would say how he asked Kat.. but it's obvious he didn't know her at the time and probably shes a few years younger than him.

Personally I think Vergil would asked a girl just to keep up appearances, and he'll probably go up to the girl so casually and asked her out like a boss that everybody be jealous of her. And am I the only one who imagines Verge in the private school system.... school uniforms are hot too

And IF Vergil and Dante in some alternate universe did not have to save the world from Mundus etc etc... where would they be right now?

 

[Mandy Cheung]

Dante: Imaginations from the flashbacks when he talked to Kat in the Virility factory and the dialogues with Vergil, I think his life was almost living like what Loopy described: escaped from orphanage, struggled for life, and caused some "troubles" (may steal from the rich or be a scammer to earn the living), spent long time in detention or jail
Vergil: while Dante has comparatively more details, Vergil's past is quite mysterious(and more fun to speculate). He could be a prince in school (school for the privileged probably) but he tried to keep a distance with all the people because he felt he's indifferent to the humans. Spent long time for being a computer geek but still got good academic results. Pretended to be a good boy in front of his step parents so that he could get stable pocket money for his own stuff(expensive computer for hacking, buying books and some experiments), but in his head he was planning for establishing a rebellion group. While his room in his step parents house looked clean and tidy, he had a secret basement for his collection of books and materials about demonology, graffiti. I am still wondering how did he got independent from his step parents.

 

[LysseC]

I am still wondering how did he got independent from his step parents.

If I remember correctly, he made money with developing some sort of encryption code (or other computer stuff, I admit I do not know anything about programming... :| )

And now, my take on young DmC Vergil.

Now, what we know about Vergil's childhood from the games is this:
1- he had been a computer geek, for sure, as he states in Mission 18. And he used this as some sort of let out for when something went wrong.
2- he came from a rich foster family, as is said in both VD and Vergil's Chronicles.
3- he had some issues with Eva, and felt envious of Dante, who was stronger and had an outright personality ("He was always her favorite... The way she admired his impulsiveness, how he followed his heart").

Now, that given, I am given the following impressions:
1- he is insecure, and the issues with Eva surely played a role in that, but this can't be the whole tale, as we must consider that, in the years of his adolescence, he didn't remember her.
2- being smart as he is, he must have done pretty well in school in almost everything he did, from science to PE (he is nephilim, after all).
3- he is good looking, but white hair is not so common, which can be ground for being bullied or fawned over.

Now, all these things combined, I see potential for disaster or, on the opposite, for success, depending on how he behaves.

If he behaves shyly, then it's disaster, and this I can tell from personal experience: having good grades and being socially awkward calls for being hated for being a spoiled brat who thinks he's above anyone else. Maybe he didn't think so at the time (he didn't know he was not human), but his classmates didn't read his mind... Add the fact that his looks are strange (a perfect ground for being bullied), and that he's rich, and maybe you can grasp what I'm pointing at.

If, on the other hand, he behaves like the charismatic person we are shown in DmC, maybe things didn't turn out that bad, and he could have charmed his way through school and college pretty easily.

But I don't imagine this second possibility to be the case. I think that, at least in his childhood and the first years of adolescence, he was insecure and shy (the geek!Vergil version is one I find both fascinating and cute), and when he had issues with his classmates because of that, he locked himself up and did his computer stuff. Why I think he was at first socially awkward? Well, again because of what is said in VD: Dante was a more impulsive person, which can be read as in Vergil was more closeted, had a more difficult time relating to other people. This is entirely possible, that Vergil was one of those people who don't instinctively know how to deal with others.
With time, he matured, and he started to recognize his successes and maybe making some good friends who boosetd his self esteem. This way, he was in the condition to develop the more charismatic aspects of his personality, which had at first remained somehow hidden; charisma that imo is given by the enthusiasm with how he speaks about his plans (I love the scene where he speaks of the Order to Dante).
But, deep down, his insecurities remain, waiting to explode once he is faced again with their greatest incarnation: his brother Dante besting him in battle.


Now, all of that said, if only I came across a geek Vergil in college... *ç*

 

[ChibiVerg]

Actually I think it's safe to assume that Vergil and Dante are in their early twenties. So 21-23 ish seems like a good age range, therefore college/university unless Vergil was a super super genius and was in university in his teens or skipped a few university years then he probably didn't bother going to post secondary education. C'mon he made an encryption that sold and he become a millionaire before finishing school, he could just continue that gig instead of wasting his time in college.And assuming that he was maybe 23 and a little older that he was working on "The Order" for years before we see him in game. And no one expects Dante to make to college based on circumstances.

I get the notion that Vergil went to private school... so I don't think he would have been bullied for being rich, lets assume everyone in private school are rich. Bullied for looks, maybe... but people could read his white hair as extremely bleached blonde (and judging by how many fans Draco Malfoy gets for his hair) I think he'd probably be pretty popular with the ladies and an idol to the male students. But I totally agree with you on the computer stuff = stress reliever for him. Hey I use the computer as a stress reliever too. And every teen boy plays video games, so lets assume Vergil did too and was usually top of the score boards.

I wonder what his gamer tag would have been

 

[LysseC]

Actually I think it's safe to assume that Vergil and Dante are in their early twenties. So 21-23 ish seems like a good age range, therefore college/university unless Vergil was a super super genius and was in university in his teens or skipped a few university years then he probably didn't bother going to post secondary education. C'mon he made an encryption that sold and he become a millionaire before finishing school, he could just continue that gig instead of wasting his time in college.And assuming that he was maybe 23 and a little older that he was working on "The Order" for years before we see him in game. And no one expects Dante to make to college based on circumstances.

Uh, I admit that, being Italian, I dunno how the school system would work for Vergil and Dante... (do they live in UK or USA? Maybe it's just that I'm dumb, but I didn't really get it...)


As for being bullied in school, yes, probably he wasn't downright bullied, but maybe... left alone? Isolated? This could have happened, if he, being shy, wasn't the most popular guy in school (at least, I think until the age of... what, 14-15?). This is plausible, and would have worked on his insecurities.
The point is, I don't see him becoming so insecure if he for years had been the most popular guy in school. There must have been something else other than the whole Dante-is-better-than-me stuff going on.
But I admit, this is just conjecture, and is just as valid as yours. ^_^

 

[ChibiVerg]

I think his insecurities really stem from when he gets his memories back. And since we have no clue when he got this memories back we don't know how long he could have these insecurities.

 

[LysseC]

That also could be. I guess we're in the field of interpretation here, and my take is as good as yours, in the sense that they both are plausible.
While yours adheres more strictly to what we are shown in the game, mine adds some other points that are not at all incompatible with the canon.

 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

Uh, I admit that, being Italian, I dunno how the school system would work for Vergil and Dante... (do they live in UK or USA? Maybe it's just that I'm dumb, but I didn't really get it...)

I believe in the original DMC it was established that Dante and Vergil was American, however they didn't specify for the reboot, although I have a feeling it might be the same.

 

[LysseC]

I believe in the original DMC it was established that Dante and Vergil was American, however they didn't specify for the reboot, although I have a feeling it might be the same.

Thanks! That piece of info eluded me!