Black Dahaka
Well-known Member
Hi, I recently got DmC DE and want to understand how they implemented the changes. Does the rebalance for this game fall just under the Hardcore modifier, or were there tweaks made to the base game as well?
Hardcore Mode (DmC)
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DreadnoughtDT
God of Hyperdeath
The base game gives a hard lock-on feature and the ability to attack enemies without having to use a specific weapon, though only that "element" still makes them flinch. The Hardcore modifier changes the way Devil Trigger works, makes enemies more aggressive and I believe makes a couple other small things change.
DDutchguy
DmC hype
See if this link works, it should give you a PDF-file of all the changes made to the Definitive Edition:
https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&sour...ggkMAA&usg=AFQjCNEjSvQHhUsbkThhJhu3VvM7ESllUQ
Otherwise, search for 'dmc definitive edition changelog' and find the file from there. If I remember correctly, hardcore mode does the following:
- Makes it much harder to gain style points compared to the normal mode, so it's no longer as easy.
- Devil Trigger no longer launches enemies into the air.
- Enemies do slightly more damage (only 5% I believe).
- Osiris' Prop and Shredder no longer have auto-parry. Without hardcore mode you can just use either of those moves and parry pretty much anything without too much timing needed.
- Dreamrunnes reflect Flush (Arbiter projectile on the ground) one extra time.
https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&sour...ggkMAA&usg=AFQjCNEjSvQHhUsbkThhJhu3VvM7ESllUQ
Otherwise, search for 'dmc definitive edition changelog' and find the file from there. If I remember correctly, hardcore mode does the following:
- Makes it much harder to gain style points compared to the normal mode, so it's no longer as easy.
- Devil Trigger no longer launches enemies into the air.
- Enemies do slightly more damage (only 5% I believe).
- Osiris' Prop and Shredder no longer have auto-parry. Without hardcore mode you can just use either of those moves and parry pretty much anything without too much timing needed.
- Dreamrunnes reflect Flush (Arbiter projectile on the ground) one extra time.
Demi-fiend
Metempsychosis
I've yet to see anyone do Hardcore + GMD + Turbo + Must Style + No Upgrade.
I'm not counting this Gladiator guy, since he only did this challenge for a few missions... and even then, he didn't do the No Upgrade part.
Even Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 had a No Upgrade run (all the way through).
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But notice how NGS2 doesn't have a No Upgrade AND No Ultimate Technique run?
Because like DmC+GMD+Turbo+No Damage+Must Style Mode+No Upgrade Run ... it can't be done.
Even if you did a Some Damage Run, you'd have a really hard time finishing DmC GMDTMSMNUR playthrough -- regardless of whatever skill level you are (or how much damage you allowed yourself to take).
It's fun watching people try though.
Not a slight against you, @DDutchguy -- I actually congratulated your attempts while lambasting everyone else for shrugging it off.
I'm not counting this Gladiator guy, since he only did this challenge for a few missions... and even then, he didn't do the No Upgrade part.
Even Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 had a No Upgrade run (all the way through).
===
But notice how NGS2 doesn't have a No Upgrade AND No Ultimate Technique run?
Because like DmC+GMD+Turbo+No Damage+Must Style Mode+No Upgrade Run ... it can't be done.
Even if you did a Some Damage Run, you'd have a really hard time finishing DmC GMDTMSMNUR playthrough -- regardless of whatever skill level you are (or how much damage you allowed yourself to take).
It's fun watching people try though.
Not a slight against you, @DDutchguy -- I actually congratulated your attempts while lambasting everyone else for shrugging it off.
DDutchguy
DmC hype
Are you... challenging me right now Ash? Ooo I sure hope not, for your sake :wink:
Erian1Mortal
Well-known Member
I'm actually thinking of doing something like that... that is IF I can ever get through the game again while playing like 4 other franchises (currently playing through Kingdom Hearts and Yakuza).
I doubt that it's impossible, it's probably just a chore to play like that after a few missions. Since you're pretty limited on styling on enemies and such (no upgrades also means less moves y'know)
DDutchguy
DmC hype
Yeah I think it's extremely possible myself, just a bit tedious if you want to play it safe. Upgradeless means you have no reliable ways of disabling enemy Devil Trigger, which is the main problem.
Demi-fiend
Metempsychosis
Oh... How about a No Strength Upgrade Run?
(But you'd still have access to the weakest form of all the moves though.)
See? Told you this game was hard. XD
DDutchguy
DmC hype
Sounds good to me, actually tried that a couple times on a stream. Was quite hard but still doable, and most notably, fun!