DmC: Devil May Cry: Are Things Not Looking Good For The Reboot?

[Tody]

Hey guys =) As a fan of the series, I wanted to know your guys' opinions on this article:

http://egamer.co.za/2013/02/dmc-the-devil-kind-of-cried/

The article doesn't focus on the game itself, as in what it did right or wrong. We all have our opinions about it and it's a very touchy subject. The article discusses:

- The idea of the reboot (was it alright to do that, why was it alright etc)
- The sales figures and where the game is currently right now
- What this means for the future of the franchise, the games industry and gamers

I'd really like to see your guys' feedback and hopefully we can get a constructive and healthy discussion going about DmC: Devil May Cry

Thank you for taking the time!

 

[Judgement]

That wasn't a bad article at all. It didn't bash the game whatsoever and I think it gave it a decent rating, not great, not bad, but good. Like you mentioned it really just mentions why they did the reboot and how the went about it; then they talked about the sales figures. The game just came out though you never know it could get many more buyers once Vergil's Downfall and Bloody Palace hits us. I know for a fact I have at least 5-7 people who are only waiting to buy it for those two features which I guess is understandable.

 

[Tody]

Thanks Judgement! =) I'm actually the writer of it, and yes, that's exactly how I felt about the game Not as bad as many make it out to be, but not really great. It's decent-good, and does deserve credit for what it did right.

I was also thinking about the DLC and the impact it would have, and of course we need to give it time. It's just that early sales figures have been quite disheartening, and they usually matter a lot because it's not often that Triple A games like this spring into life later on, especially with all the high-profile games releasing shortly.

 

[Alittleacorn]

Oh lord they used my caption joke XD

But I think it's right, if DmC 2 happens they have to make some changes so it felt a bit more like a remake than a reboot [but not to the point that it's an exact remake, just elements from previous games being more woven in and Dante showing more trades of what makes him Dante since he's gone through the growth part of his character now]. Even though I wasn't a fan before hand and didn't grow up with the series, I can agree that DmC might've alienated some fans. With how DmC ended, if it really is indeed leaning towards that set up with the world and Dante maybe going into his demon hunting business, then they'd need to show it.

 

[Tody]

Oh lord they used my caption joke XD

Hahaha is that yours? \? It's a staple of my articles to use humourous pictures during serious topics, and I found this one on google images! I apologise if you didn't want it used without your permission or anything, but I found it really funny and loved including it

Yeah, that's exactly what I think. The middle solution is the one to go for, and I think it benefits both parties, as in those in favour of the new DmC and those who like the old franchise.

 

[Alittleacorn]

Hahaha is that yours? \? It's a staple of my articles to use humourous pictures during serious topics, and I found this one on google images! I apologise if you didn't want it used without your permission or anything, but I found it really funny and loved including it

Yeah, that's exactly what I think. The middle solution is the one to go for, and I think it benefits both parties, as in those in favour of the new DmC and those who like the old franchise.

Oh no no it's okay you can use it [actually I'm honored lol] ^^ that caption came from this thing I made when I was in a discussion about costumes for DmC once way, way back.

But in what you said, yeah, that's why I'm hoping maybe DmC 2 will follow some story woven in from DMC3, where we have Vergil and Dante meeting again and Lady making an appearance, but still taking the story in a different direction and keeping characters like Phineas and Kat in the picture, if bringing new ones. Bringing something old and familar, but also something new to the table and branches out in a good direction would be good.

 

[Judgement]

Oh no no it's okay you can use it [actually I'm honored lol] ^^ that caption came from this thing I made when I was in a discussion about costumes for DmC once way, way back.

But in what you said, yeah, that's why I'm hoping maybe DmC 2 will follow some story woven in from DMC3, where we have Vergil and Dante meeting again and Lady making an appearance, but still taking the story in a different direction and keeping characters like Phineas and Kat in the picture, if bringing new ones. Bringing something old and familar, but also something new to the table and branches out in a good direction would be good.

You took the words right out of my mouth. That is exactly how I would want DmC2. Phineas definitely needs to make another appearance and they could bring Lady in. It is a different universe so they can introduce her differently too.

 

[Chancey289]

Things in the article pretty much is how I've been thinking as well and I'm giving you a virtual Snake and Octacon handshake from MGS 2 because I'm also a massive Metal Gear Solid fan dude. It's my favorite video game series of all time. I LOVE Metal Gear Solid. But back to the subject matter at hand, Devil May Cry.

Comparing DMC 4 to Spider-Man 3 is a pretty good comparison. I'm also a massive comic book fan and Spider-Man is hands down my favorite superhero of all time. You can imagine how upset I was after seeing Spider-Man 3. I pretend it doesn't exist. I think DMC 4 is the worst in the entire series because I really hate what that game represented. Capcom comes off something as great as DMC 3 to follow up with something as lazy and bad as 4. I can't even recommend it for a solid combat system because it had so many obnoxious design choices and clearly Capcom was at a creative dead end. It's like they didn't care about Devil May Cry and was just shaking the brand down for some sequels and it's the prime example of the series pushed through the ringer. I still hate DMC 2 as well but here's the difference between 2 and 4, 2 tried some new things and failed while 4 hardly tried at all. I won't give Capcom any props for such a lazily designed piece of crap.

I'm also all for creative integrity. You can definitely tell Ninja Theory went into DmC with confidence despite being bashed at every turn. Capcom came to NT to give a fresh bold take on the Devil May Cry series and that's exactly what they did. Hell, Capcom actually dismissed the original pitch for DmC in favor of something that would be different and NT complied with this request. Devil May Cry was in need of something new because it was quite frankly stale whether the fans want to admit it or not. What was the end result? A good Devil May Cry game. Sure it has room for improvement but there is no way in hell DmC is a bad game and has Devil May Cry at heart.

DmC holds potential to be something that can surpass the others completely because it already has in some aspects. The emphasis on narrative is definitely stronger here and I personally don't care if there's M rated content in an M rated game. It shouldn't have to apologize for that stuff and it's not like the previous games handled that kind of stuff with sophistication either. Just look at the girls in Devil May Cry and scenes like the one Gloria had in 4 that deliberately gets shots of her panties and she's making all kinds of sexual positions to kill demons. There's evidently some martial art out there based on the Kamasutra.

Devil May Cry wasn't completely golden to begin with and the series has always had its fair share of flaws and flat out stupidity. Dante, of all video game characters, isn't even such a golden boy the fans make him out to be neither. DmC has a Dante who may be crude at first but it is all in context to the tale being told and Dante overall isn't all that different anyway. He's still cocky, full of himself, and has a sense of justice. That's Dante for you. Just the main difference is while the original was a bit of a dorky cartoon stereotype in DmC Dante is more of a real person. A modernized version Dante. It's quite similar to things like The Amazing Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man.

While the original is still my favorite just because of nostalgic heartstrings, DmC is still a blast to play and has went up to my 2nd place spot tied with 3. I love the things that DmC introduces. The art direction is incredible and Limbo is quite the spectacle. It's vibrant color pallet and surreal style makes it definitely more interesting than the fire and brimstone pallet gothic castles the game usually took place in that seem to come straight out of a Castlevania game. It never introduced anything particularly new or interesting to the setting. Also I welcome the lack of styles because I was never a fan of them really to begin with. I really enjoy this hybrid that DmC has. It can use some polish but I think they really have something here. Overall, DmC is a step in a positive direction for this aging franchise that has more potential than a series pushing 12 years old with its 5th entry has any right to.

DmC sure as hell does not deserve the massive amount of hate it gets and for now DmC deserves to be expanded upon. Worst case scenario is they might drop Devil May Cry all together. Although, like you said, if Capcom really does just resort back to that older anime style right after this reboot then I will probably not play it whether its good or bad because it really goes to show they just want the money. At least NT gave a crap about what they were doing and pushed out a worthy title. Capcom's last go at Devil May Cry resulted in literally half a game they just lazily thrown together. If Capcom wants to do some bs like that then why not just let NT keep it? They at least show me they have pride in their work. I've always given them the benefit of the doubt after playing something like Enslaved because while not perfect it still held potential and NT is still rather new to the scene. Capcom has just been making terrible choices for years and especially as a huge MegaMan fan and Resident Evil, I have no reason to defend Capcom. DmC's take on the series deserves to be explored more at least for now. It's a shame so many fans really just refused to give it a fair shot.

I can't drop money on video games like I used to and DmC was the first game I spent full price on since Batman Arkham City in december of 2011. I don't regret paying full price for DmC as video games are meant to be a form of entertainment for casual recreation. They are meant to entertain you. DmC delivered a fun Devil May Cry experience with its complete package and as far as I'm concerned, it did its job. The only other games I'm looking to buy will be GTA 5, Injustice:Gods Among Us, and (if it gets released this year) Metal Gear Solid:Ground Zeroes.

 

[Judgement]

DmC holds potential to be something that can surpass the others completely because it already has in some aspects. The emphasis on narrative is definitely stronger here and I personally don't care if there's M rated content in an M rated game. It shouldn't have to apologize for that stuff and it's not like the previous games handled that kind of stuff with sophistication either. Just look at the girls in Devil May Cry and scenes like the one Gloria had in 4 that deliberately gets shots of her panties and she's making all kinds of sexual positions to kill demons. There's evidently some martial art out there based on the Kamasutra.

Agree 110% .The series has always had lots of blood, gore and sexuality in it. Trish was in all tight leather with a top that magically stayed up. Lucia wore skin tight clothes as well. Lady in dmc3 had also intriguing and in 4 she was even more sexualized. Nevan didn't even have a shirt on. Gloria...nothing need to be said about her. Still there was never any real nudity at all. There wasn't even any sexual interactions either. Everything in DmC in my opinion has MUCH LESS things in it than many other old and new M rated game ever have. There is no need to apologize at all for this game just being a little grotesque in some spots but you fight demons...Demons are not supposed to look pretty. The language used in DmC was also nothing. Dante say F U back to the succubus a few time and Vergil mentions his member which was hilarious in my opinion and Dante was known to say a swear every level or two and that's it...Nothing there comes close to what you see in even some teen rated games these days.

Devil May Cry wasn't completely golden to begin with and the series has always had its fair share of flaws and flat out stupidity. Dante, of all video game characters, isn't even such a golden boy the fans make him out to be neither. DmC has a Dante who may be crude at first but it is all in context to the tale being told and Dante overall isn't all that different anyway. He's still cocky, full of himself, and has a sense of justice. That's Dante for you. Just the main difference is while the original was a bit of a dorky cartoon stereotype in DmC Dante is more of a real person. A modernized version Dante. It's quite similar to things like The Amazing Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man.

What I think no one at all is realizing here is Dante is still very young in this so yeah he's going to be arrogant, rude and a punk ass kid and even so they did a good job of making him much nicer than anyone I knew at that age and we were all still nice people at the time too. To me this is exactly how I would expect a younger version of Dante to be. He still shares many many qualities of the older but still young dmc3 Dante too. I was actually worried they were going to make him too nice.

 

[darkmanifest]

What I think no one at all is realizing here is Dante is still very young in this so yeah he's going to be arrogant, rude and a punk ass kid and even so they did a good job of making him much nicer than anyone I knew at that age and we were all still nice people at the time too. To me this is exactly how I would expect a younger version of Dante to be. He still shares many many qualities of the older but still young dmc3 Dante too. I was actually worried they were going to make him too nice.

I've always wondered where people got the impression that Dante was "very young" in DmC. This Dante is shown drinking in a bar and having sex on screen, things you rarely catch most Western games depicting an underage teenager doing. So this Dante is at least eighteen years old, no younger than DMC3's Dante and DMC4's Nero, and he actually comes across as being older, as neither DMC3 Dante or Nero are depicted doing real-life mature activities (aside from DMC3 Dante owning his own business). Personally, this Dante strikes me as anywhere between twenty and twenty-three, your typical college frat boy who thinks he's a rebel.

 

[Judgement]

I've always wondered where people got the impression that Dante was "very young" in DmC. This Dante is shown drinking in a bar and having sex on screen, things you rarely catch most Western games depicting an underage teenager doing. So this Dante is at least eighteen years old, no younger than DMC3's Dante and DMC4's Nero, and he actually comes across as being older, as neither DMC3 Dante or Nero are depicted doing real-life mature activities (aside from DMC3 Dante owning his own business). Personally, this Dante strikes me as anywhere between twenty and twenty-three, your typical college frat boy who thinks he's a rebel.

There is a lot of speculation I would say about the ages. In dmc3 it says hes 18 I think but seems much older maybe mid to early 20's. in DmC he seems like 18-20 and he doesn't seem to be like the person to buy alcohol legally. Anyways I agree with you, my point was he is still young, rebellious and in that stage where it kind of makes sense he would act like that before maturing a little bit more

 

[Dante Redgrave]

Offical age from Istuno for DMC3 was 19 for the twins, and the same age was stated for Nero by Kobayashi for DMC4.

 

[EvilX-81]

Oh lord they used my caption joke XD

Please tell me this is a mod. Come to think of it, Vergil's jawline does make him look somewhat like Cap off the movie.

 

[Tody]

Things in the article pretty much is how I've been thinking as well and I'm giving you a virtual Snake and Octacon handshake from MGS 2 because I'm also a massive Metal Gear Solid fan dude. It's my favorite video game series of all time. I LOVE Metal Gear Solid. But back to the subject matter at hand, Devil May Cry.

Yes! Metal Gear Solid is legendary \/ If ever it was the right time to use that word, this would be it

To be honest, I didn't really compare DMC4 to Spider-Man 3, but you bringing it up like that makes the analogy work The comparison was more for the purposes of explaining the reboot.

Your third paragraph I agree with =) I personally don't think DmC is great, but I certainly don't think it's bad. It's a decent, often good game that has merit, and hopefully it will bolster Ninja Theory's career after Heavenly Sword and Enslaved, and now they'll be more high-profile.

I actually liked Devil May Cry 4, but I've read your complaints about it and I can understand I'm not a die-hard fan of the series, more an admirer.

I have to say I really like and appreciate the fact that you guys are seeing the article for what it really is, and you're not just reacting to it (like some people already have) as though it's a DmC hate article. It's meant to be thought-provoking, educational in some ways and, of course, present the facts (sales) and then food for thought with what it could mean for the series.

It's great to see that people have taken the time to read it and digest it, and I love that

I'm also very conservative when it comes to spending money, even though I write for eGamer and review games on a regular basis. The last game I bought at full price, hilariously enough if you discount Steam Christmas sales and indie games, was Batman: Arkham City as well, and then Assassin's Creed III (ugh, massively underwhelming, bitter disappointment in my opinion).

Two things: I LOVE Ultimate Spider-Man (hate where it's currently at though, stopped reading after it "ended") and I also can't wait for MGS: Ground Zeroes

Thanks for your comment! Gave me a bit to think about =)

 

[Alittleacorn]

Please tell me this is a mod. Come to think of it, Vergil's jawline does make him look somewhat like Cap off the movie.

Lol no, I just photoshopped it XD I do wish there was a mod so those two could dress up like Captain America.

And yes, he does doesn't he :lol:

 

[Marionette Cherry]

I like when people be honest. I find most people just go into the game wanting to hate it, that was a good read.
I cleared my head of all negativity I had towards this game, I still ended up disliking it due to numerous reasons, but I'm glad I gave it a fair chance.

I can't wait for Hyperbit's review of this game. He's a very honest person.

 

[EvilX-81]

I skimmed through that posting, and it looked decent. Until he chided Bioware for giving in to pressure, presumably about the endings. Anyone who thinks BW should've stuck to those bullshit endings and has any understanding of the (perhaps unintentional? Who knows what decisions and lack of time left things on the cutting room floor) lies given about "complete and diverse endings" loses 20 points off the bat with me.

Ending cut makes it apparent that they *knew* they ****ed up those endings.

 

[Tody]

I skimmed through that posting, and it looked decent. Until he chided Bioware for giving in to pressure, presumably about the endings. Anyone who thinks BW should've stuck to those bullshit endings and has any understanding of the (perhaps unintentional? Who knows what decisions and lack of time left things on the cutting room floor) lies given about "complete and diverse endings" loses 20 points off the bat with me.

Ending cut makes it apparent that they *knew* they ****** up those endings.

I was one of those who despised the endings of Mass Effect 3, and criticised the poor writing to no end. But BioWare proved they had no creative confidence or artistic integrity, and whether you wanted the endings to be changed or not, that's a very bad thing to show for one of the biggest games of that year.

 

[EvilX-81]

I was one of those who despised the endings of Mass Effect 3, and criticised the poor writing to no end. But BioWare proved they had no creative confidence or artistic integrity, and whether you wanted the endings to be changed or not, that's a very bad thing to show for one of the biggest games of that year.

It's a bad thing to show yea, but I think in this case, the worst was the alternative, not doing anything at all. People played you trilogy of games and are left completely bewildered and confused by possibly the most important part, the story's ending? So much so that a huge majority of them are clinging at unintentional clues and theories for any possible alternative ending? Moreso, you *purposely* wrote massively speculative ending for the *conclusive* end of your ****IN' TRILOGY SAGA?!

Whatever pride they had to consider the idea of keeping those endings as is, should've been around to slap that bullshit down back in brainstorming process.

 

[SugarMoon]

Hehe you wrote that article? Very nice indeed.

I really don't think change is bad at all as long as it's done right you know? DmC was just too different for my taste. It doesn't make it a bad game though by any means.

This may be a silly idea, but I think that another problem the game had was that it was a little bit too overhyped and failed to others' expectations.