Devil May Cry and Bayonetta as one universe.

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since the two games are made by different companies they will never officially be in the same universe but there enough Devil May Cry references in Bayonetta that it wouldn't be hard to make them seem like the same universe. and thats the point of this thread to explain the differences and figure out how the games would fit together.

Devil May Cry references in Bayonetta and how they would be explained if the two games where in the same universe:

1.there is a charicter named Antonio Redgrave in bayonetta; Dante used the alias Tony Redgrave.
Explanation: Dante met Antonio and decided to use his name. or since there are some hints Sparda used the same alias(L&O have the same inscription as E&I" For Tony Redgrave By .45 Art Warks") the explanation could be that Sparda was the one that met Antonio(which makes more since because if DMC1 takes place around the same time as Bayonetta Dante whould have been a little kid when Antonio died.)

2. both games have a charicter named Enzo who is an informant (and seem to be the same person)
Explanation: Enzo knows both Dante and Bayonetta.

3. it is mentioned that there are devil hunters living in the same area as Bayonetta, Rodin and Enzo. ("the Dump")
Explanation:Dante and Bayonetta might live in the same area(it seems likely if they both know Enzo)

4.Phantasmaraneae is very similer to Phantom.
Explanation: they could be the same Demon under different names or simply relatives.

(there are probably a few more references i can't remember.)

so anyone have any opinions on this. references i missed. alternate explanations etc.
and there are a few more things that would need to be explained but i don't want to talk about everything at once.(at this point most threads don't last very long so i want to try to make this one last a while)
 
Its made by the same guy so there are gonna be references to past works.
For Example the similarities between Captain America of marvel and the Guardian from DC could be explained because they were created by the same guy.
Unfortunately, they might not exist in the same universe because Kamiya has bad relations with capcom.
So just look at Bayyonnetta as Kamiya's attempt at doing DMC his way which wories me since i thought Bayonetta's story was crappy.
 
Z218 said:
Its made by the same guy so there are gonna be references to past works.
For Example the similarities between Captain America of marvel and the Guardian from DC could be explained because they were created by the same guy.
Unfortunately, they might not exist in the same universe because Kamiya has bad relations with capcom.
So just look at Bayyonnetta as Kamiya's attempt at doing DMC his way which wories me since i thought Bayonetta's story was crappy.
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i know they are not and cannot officially be the same universe(and said it in the first post before i said anything else.) and that the references were actually just because they were made by the same person. this thread is not about the way things are. it's about how they would be if they were the same universe.

does anyone have anything to say on topic or am i the only one interested.
 
I agree with you that Bayonetta and DMC are most likely in the same universe. I wouldn't be surprised if Dante found out what the angels were doing and went after them, or maybe Bayonetta went against demon-kind. Kind of like a role-reversal.
 
It wold be interesting to see but the main challenge is whether or not the writers would be able to make the two of them play off each other in a interesting way and not make the characters feel like a copy of the other. We already have enough Dante clones in the series.
 
the first thing to work out would be fitting the creation myths of the two universes together.

Devil May Cry: (from the Devil May Cry3 Manga): first there was a world of Darkness and Chaos. within this world was a ray of light that expanded to become the human world.

Bayonetta: there was one world ruled over by Jubileus, the Creator. then an event refered to as the first armageddon spilt it into Paradiso, Inferno and the human world with Pugatorio in between

the main problem with that is one universe has four worlds the other only two. at first it would seem like Inferno in Bayonetta and the underworld in Devil May Cry are the same. but thinking about it Paradiso and the human world look alot alike in some areas. and since Inferno is Paradiso's opposite it is probably just as close to the human world but the underworld is nothing like the human world. my theory is that the entire Trinity of Realities including Inferno are the world of Light mentioned in the DMC3 manga. and that Inferno is just the part of it closest to the underworld.
 
darkslayer13 said:
the first thing to work out would be fitting the creation myths of the two universes together.

Devil May Cry: (from the Devil May Cry3 Manga): first there was a world of Darkness and Chaos. within this world was a ray of light that expanded to become the human world.

Bayonetta: there was one world ruled over by Jubileus, the Creator. then an event refered to as the first armageddon spilt it into Paradiso, Inferno and the human world with Pugatorio in between

the main problem with that is one universe has four worlds the other only two. at first it would seem like Inferno in Bayonetta and the underworld in Devil May Cry are the same. but thinking about it Paradiso and the human world look alot alike in some areas. and since Inferno is Paradiso's opposite it is probably just as close to the human world but the underworld is nothing like the human world. my theory is that the entire Trinity of Realities including Inferno are the world of Light mentioned in the DMC3 manga. and that Inferno is just the part of it closest to the underworld.
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I think that it would be easier than you think because you could just disregard the DMC one because it comes from a less factual source. Arkham wouldn't be as credible a source as Baldier or Rodin simply because they have access to Angels which are a more credible source than dusty books.

There is no reason why the creation myths from both can't be one and the same but told from different perspectives one from a angel and the other from a human perspective.
 
Z218 said:
I think that it would be easier than you think because you could just disregard the DMC one because it comes from a less factual source. Arkham wouldn't be as credible a source as Baldier or Rodin simply because they have access to Angels which are a more credible source than dusty books.

There is no reason why the creation myths from both can't be one and the same but told from different perspectives one from a angel and the other from a human perspective.
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just ignoring one of them seems lazy. and i proposed a theory that seems to fit and so far no one has said it doesn't work.
 
alright
just use the second part of my post about the creation myths being one and the same to fit both in.

a bigger issue would be whether or not dante and bayonnetta know each other and if their respective adventures take place within the same year.
 
Well, considering Dante and Netta have the same advisor, you'd think they at least have heard of each other. However, one operates in just a small area while Netta goes over the whole damn globe.
 
Well i think they both operate around the globe just that Bayonetta needs more information so she proritizes it more than Dante. Plus Dante is lazy so he would proritize jobs that are relatively closer.
I dont think they have the same agent anymore since Enzo was retconned out in the animated series.
I dont even think they operate in the same country or same town.
So when do you think the events of Bayonnetta occcur in the dmc timeline.
 
Z218 said:
Well i think they both operate around the globe just that Bayonetta needs more information so she proritizes it more than Dante. Plus Dante is lazy so he would proritize jobs that are relatively closer.
I dont think they have the same agent anymore since Enzo was retconned out in the animated series.
I dont even think they operate in the same country or same town.
So when do you think the events of Bayonnetta occcur in the dmc timeline.
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well we don't know where bayonetta usually operates. the game could have been the only time she traveled anywhere since waking up.
it's hard to tell since the devil may cry timeline hasn't really been explained beyond the fact that 3 takes place 10 years before 1 my guess would be bayonetta probably takes place around dmc1 or 4.

Dante and Bayonetta would probably have at least heard of each other. there is no way Luka and Dante have never met. a reporter involved in supernatural things would definitly look for a Devil Hunter who used his father's name and Dante is not hard to find.
 
i'm going to hazard a guess that DMC takes place after 1 or after four and it could also take place after two.
Dante and luka were probably raised together and Dante lost his virginity with Bayonnetta.
And the fans brains just explode.
 
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