Demons in the DmC Universe

[KenKen]

Since I'm not all that well-versed on Devil may cry, I'm a bit confused as to how, for example, Sparda and and the Frosts from DMC4 could be placed under the same classification: Demon.
Are very powerful Japanese demons capable of shapeshifting?

I'm even more confused as to how the Demons in DmC (warrior drones, Tank drone from the E3 trailer, that unnamed Larva-demon) can procreate with an Angel--which I'm guessing either resemble the monstrous-looking eldritch abominations from Bayonetta, the even more nightmarish creatures from the Bible, or maybe humanoid Angels from popular media today--and create a human-looking creature: Dante.

I hope I'm not reading too far into this, but how can a demon ever resemble a human? Do they look different based on how strong they are?
What do you guys think?

 

[ReRave]

I guess demons simply can change into a kind of human resembling form. As in popular media.
Or they are not pro-creating at all, they simply pool together their power and create something completely different, like Dante.

 

[wallenb]

I don't think the gods pro create like humans do, and i really don't think demons do either. There is some weird mischief going on and the result is Dante.
Or both Eva and Sparda fled from either side, took refuge on earth in their human forms and found each other. Then they hid they're real selves from each other and had 1 night in Limbo and out pops Dante

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Well, taking into acount that demons come from a totally different world (the underworld) Ι believe that they are not exactly the same species. It's like everyone on Earth, is probably an earthling, but we humans are not like cats, not praying mantises or crows or whatever. The same thing happens probably with demons.

There are probably similarities between demons here and there, like in Earth most flying creatures are birds, and stuff like that. But other than that, most of them are totally different.

For example, I can totally see the 7 Hells and Hell Vanguard being distand relatives, or the Marionette, Scarecrows and the Finis demons of DMC2 being distand relatives as well since all of them are weak demons who need to posses certain bodies in order to manifest themselves, each with a different affinity towards certain bodies.

However the species are millions. Lizard like demons, fire demons, bat demons, lightning demons, ice demons, bat demons, demons that were artificially created and probably even more than that. The categories and possibilities are infinite.

 

[I Make The Devils Cry]

Sparda, though a demon was more refined. As the story has changed in the reboot it would more than likely carry on some of the same characteristics, a refined demon. Demons like Frost and Blitz however never really take on a role of leadership and instead follow others, while the majority of villains that Dante fights at the end of each game are refined to some extent like Sparda or Dante to some extent himself.

 

[Sieghart]

I guess the demons are just a kins from the demon kings.
For example such as marionette,scarecrows and what ever are from the kin of ashtaroth since he is the king of rot and demonology says that when ashtaroth possessed a human,he/she's appearance becomes like scarecrows,marionettes etc.

And maybe the frost is a kin of egyn the king of water in demonology.

 

[wallenb]

Cool.

Well, taking into acount that demons come from a totally different world (the underworld) Ι believe that they are not exactly the same species. It's like everyone on Earth, is probably an earthling, but we humans are not like cats, not praying mantises or crows or whatever. The same thing happens probably with demons.

There are probably similarities between demons here and there, like in Earth most flying creatures are birds, and stuff like that. But other than that, most of them are totally different.

For example, I can totally see the 7 Hells and Hell Vanguard being distand relatives, or the Marionette, Scarecrows and the Finis demons of DMC2 being distand relatives as well since all of them are weak demons who need to posses certain bodies in order to manifest themselves, each with a different affinity towards certain bodies.

However the species are millions. Lizard like demons, fire demons, bat demons, lightning demons, ice demons, bat demons, demons that were artificially created and probably even more than that. The categories and possibilities are infinite.

So how was neoDante made? Any ideas?

I'm not familiar with everything about demons. I generally justt accept what he is and I try not to think about how he was. Made, indetail.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Cool.



So how was neoDante made? Any ideas?

I'm not familiar with everything about demons. I generally justt accept what he is and I try not to think about how he was. Made, indetail.

I'm not sure how new Dante and your opinion about him relate to what I wrote. If you'd please elaborate.

But as to try and answer nevertheless. First of all we don't know how demons are going to be presented as, in DmC. Since angels come to the picture as well, we're probably talking about a different perspective of demons as well. In old DMCs the demons were the evil monstrous inhabitands of a place called the underworld. I don't think they were demonic in the same way demons are presented in religion. More like evil bastards from another world who somehow found out about earth and decided to come here and destroy/rule/feast/the usual stuff. DmC opens more possibilities as to what demons will be there by putting angels in the picture. So we'll have to see them there before actually say anything.

As for how new Dante was made. Ehm...he was conceived during the union between an angel and a demon. Unless you mean something else?

 

[wallenb]

Well before I thought you were going to give your opinion on how an angel and demon could pro create, but I guess you just gaveyour overall opinion about how they cannot.

I guess anything is possible in games so the fact that demons angels are not of this world is irrelevant.

 

[KenKen]

Cool.



So how was neoDante made? Any ideas?

I'm not familiar with everything about demons. I generally justt accept what he is and I try not to think about how he was. Made, indetail.

First off,
Thanks for all the insightful info, everyone!
I do love the forums :3

Secondly, I think your idea about how he was made would be pretty accurate.

Sparda and Eva do not resemble humans in any way in their natural form. They create human bodies for themselves, find each other without knowing that they're enemies, and hit it off.
Boom. Out pop two wonderful white-haired humans.

Also, I've had some time to think about my theory, so here goes.


I'm guessing there's an ancient race of people that branches off three ways: those who aligned with Heaven, those aligned with Hell, and those with no affiliations.

Those aligned with Hell would become more powerful--evidenced by the idea that Dante's demon-stance weapon, the axe, is a huge, clumsy, damage-dealing piece of work that no human could wield.

Those on Heaven's side became hyper-dextrous and graceful--Dante flails around his sword and his axe sort of clumsily, yet in his Angel stance, he uses the scythe as if he's been trained for years: he uses complex footwork, twirls it around his body, and even does a Roulette Spin one-handed with it. That can't be easy.

Since those with no affiliations (humans) didn't really evolve a need to fight godly strength or extreme skill, they are very watered down, and understandably no match for either.

The point being that they are the same genus and possibly the same species as humans. Just a lot stronger, either through evolution or divine intervention.
Think about wolves and dogs. They're actually the same species: they can procreate and produce fertile offspring. But it's really hard to look at a poodle or a dalmatian and try to imagine it having evolved from any kind of wolf.

So Angels, humans, and Demons could be the same species without being the same subspecies. Meaning Dante only looks like a human in the same way a wolf kind of looks like a malamute.

 

[I Make The Devils Cry]

First off,
Thanks for all the insightful info, everyone!
I do love the forums :3

Secondly, I think your idea about how he was made would be pretty accurate.

Sparda and Eva do not resemble humans in any way in their natural form. They create human bodies for themselves, find each other without knowing that they're enemies, and hit it off.
Boom. Out pop two wonderful white-haired humans.

Also, I've had some time to think about my theory, so here goes.


I'm guessing there's an ancient race of people that branches off three ways: those who aligned with Heaven, those aligned with Hell, and those with no affiliations.

Those aligned with Hell would become more powerful--evidenced by the idea that Dante's demon-stance weapon, the axe, is a huge, clumsy, damage-dealing piece of work that no human could wield.

Those on Heaven's side became hyper-dextrous and graceful--Dante flails around his sword and his axe sort of clumsily, yet in his Angel stance, he uses the scythe as if he's been trained for years: he uses complex footwork, twirls it around his body, and even does a Roulette Spin one-handed with it. That can't be easy.

Since those with no affiliations (humans) didn't really evolve a need to fight godly strength or extreme skill, they are very watered down, and understandably no match for either.

The point being that they are the same genus and possibly the same species as humans. Just a lot stronger, either through evolution or divine intervention.
Think about wolves and dogs. They're actually the same species: they can procreate and produce fertile offspring. But it's really hard to look at a poodle or a dalmatian and try to imagine it having evolved from any kind of wolf.

So Angels, humans, and Demons could be the same species without being the same subspecies. Meaning Dante only looks like a human in the same way a wolf kind of looks like a malamute.

They demons that you can see in DMC 3, they looked like it, in DMC 4 you had armors that looked like it, hell even the bosses said they were.

 

[KenKen]

They demons that you can see in DMC 3, they looked like it, in DMC 4 you had armors that looked like it, hell even the bosses said they were.

Wait, looked like what?

 

[I Make The Devils Cry]

Wait, looked like what?

In Devil May Cry 3 you had strange enemies that had a white aura around them with wings that were white. In Devil May Cry 4 you had Credo, Agnus, and Sanctus, along with the other members of the Order of the Sword who wanted to become angels, and appeared like it also. I agree with an earlier comment saying that they could be the same race as demons, it is a possibility.

 

[wallenb]

In Devil May Cry 3 you had strange enemies that had a white aura around them with wings that were white. In Devil May Cry 4 you had Credo, Agnus, and Sanctus, along with the other members of the Order of the Sword who wanted to become angels, and appeared like it also. I agree with an earlier comment saying that they could be the same race as demons, it is a possibility.

I get what your saying but I think in dmc3, those enemies seemed like their appearance was to lure you in since they are so slow. In dmc4 it seemed like the reason to look like angels was to gain trust. Or just a different enemy type for a new game.

 

[KenKen]

I thought the angels in DMC4 were synthetic?

 

[wallenb]

Well yeah but they used demonic power to create them. The appearance was to gain trust. Angels never existed in DMC. It was, to me, there interpretation of a high power sent to protect people from real demons that they released.

 

[I Make The Devils Cry]

These are true and valid answers, they are demons, but Agnus even quoted that he was an angel, there may not be angels in the series, but I'm guessing there is a thin line between them and their differences.