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CoolDemon

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"We've got our plan and we're not changing it" Tameem Antoniades

Tameem Antoniade's (spokesman of NT) about fans:
"I don't care"

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"The people who are skeptical secretly want to like it. And it's our job to prove that it's Devil May Cry in essence" Tameem Antoniades

DISRESPECTFUL

Hideki Kamiya the creator of Devil May Cry have explicitely expressed that Dante the character he created is not a smoker. Yet Ninja theory went ahead and made a character, named him Dante and made him a smoker.​

Tameem about Bayonetta:
“Personally, I don’t. I love the game. I think it’s awesome. It’s taken everything — it’s just gone to a total extreme. But in terms of, ‘Do I think it’s cool?’ No, not at all. I think it’s caricatured and over-the-top and very ‘Japanesey,’ and for that absurd style it does that really well, but that’s not what I want.” Tameem Antoniades

^ Comment to above: One could interpret "and very 'japanesey' and for that absurd style.." as in "Western art is better than japanese art because my culture is better". How is calling japanese art style absurd any positive?

“The essence of Devil May Cry is all about ‘cool. It’s about Dante being cool and making you feel cool when you’re playing it, and so the combat and the style system and everything is integral to that. But, you know, what was cool 12 years ago — I think that was when the first game came out — isn’t cool anymore. If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he’d get laughed out. What Devil May Cry did when it launched was it brought everything that was great about action cinema like the fashion, music — it was like a cultural melting pot — and I feel like now, for Devil May Cry to have that same impact, it needs to draw on new things. New music, new ways of cinematography, new fashion.”

^ Comment to above: Who is to decide if Dante is cool or not? Tameem Antoniades or us fans? And has anyone seen Enslaved's male character? look below

If our beloved Dante will get laughed out in a bar at Tokyo i wonder what the reactions to Ninja theory's Monkey from Enslaved would be.​

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Notice the quote above "It's our job to prove that it's Devil May Cry in essence". With essence he means gameplay. Bayonetta gameplay is in essence DMC. If you have seen in DmC trailers there is "finishers" similar to Heavenly sword. Ninja theory are supposed to make a DMC game yet they use Heavenly sword ideas.

Instead of being honest with fans during interviews and clarifying that DmC is a reboot Ninja theory and Capcom was very quiet about it. Later they call it a reboot. And NOW they call DmC a "parallel" or alternative to DMC serie.

DmC source of "ideas" is Ninja theory, UK and Tameem

Ninja theory: british company-----------​
Tameem Antoniades: british-------------​
Punk movement: started in UK----------​
Tameem habit: smoking (Dante smokes)​

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Dante in DmC has alot in common with Tameem Antoniades​

Dante in DmC is said by Tameem Antoniades to be a punk streetbrawler. The word "streetbrawler" is used for people who make alot noise/ruckus when they fight right? In UK there is fotball hooligans and youths doing riots. Like i have said earlier in this thread Dante also smokes and is british affiliated (UK flag on jacket).​

Tameem Antoniades said Devil May Cry is like a cultural melting pot yet the culture that has dominated DmC is the british culture.​

Tameem has also said the word "disfranchised youth" and that Dante is like how youths are nowdays - angry and angsty. Right assuming that youths are like that with nothing to back it up.​

DmC Dante is now also an angel. The word "angel" can be tied to the word "heavenly" because angels are heavenly right? --- Heavenly Sword influence. If DmC was an entirely new game with no ties to DMC series and Dante i would say "Hey your the developers of this new game, do what you gotta do!". But that's not the case. Dante is a character who's half demon and half human. There is no 33.3% angel, 33.3% demon and 33.3% human or 50% angel and 50% demon.​

ACCORDING TO TAMEEM THIS GUY IS COOLER THAN DANTE​

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USING ORIGINAL SERIES AS ADVERTISEMENT

When DmC was announced there was alot of controversy. Many people wondered if it was a sequel, a prequel or whatever. Many others thought of DmC as "DMC 5" - in other words a sequel. But Capcom and Ninja theory played with words using rebirth, origins and prequel, and avoided the word "reboot". Later they grew some balls and said "It's a reboot". And recently we now know it's Ninja theory's version of DMC. I repeat Ninja theory's version. It's not DMC as we know it, but just Ninja theory's version where they have borrowed DMC elements.​

So this is not a DMC game. This is a Ninja theory DMC game.​

NINJA THEORY WERE HIRED BECAUSE OF

...their story skills (+westernization). Many fans including myself can point out that original DMC series story is good but the storyline is not consistent. Tameem himself even said it "With our story skills and Capcom Gameplay...bla bla bla". Now NOONE knows who suggested a reboot for DMC series, if it was Ninja theory or Capcom, all we know is that Capcom allowed it.​

So let me try to comphrend this - Ninja theory were hired to make the story consistent but it ended up with them making a "paralell universe" game or a reboot?​

This is the end. I hope you understand why i and many others hate Ninja theory (+Capcom).
 

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Ninja theory were hired
to make the story consistent
but it ended up with them
making a "paralell universe"
game or a reboot?

How can you say that ? Whatever NT's doing with DmC, it's getting approved by Capcom. So no point in telling whatever they were hired for, whatever they did etc.

Apart from the change in the looks, framerates being less than 60 FPS, the crappy DT, half-angel and half-demon thing to some extent, the latest games trailers look ok. Do they not ??
 

CoolDemon

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How can you say that ? Whatever NT's doing with DmC, it's getting approved by Capcom. So no point in telling whatever they were hired for, whatever they did etc.

Apart from the change in the looks, framerates being less than 60 FPS, the crappy DT, half-angel and half-demon thing to some extent, the latest games trailers look ok. Do they not ??
You mention all the important things as if it's nothing.

And i can say Ninja theory was hired for story because they suck at gameplay. And because Tameem and Capcom has both expressed that Ninja theory was chosen for the job because of their story skills.

capcom is the one giving ninja theory all this room to experiment, ninja theory is just doing what they are told. if you are gonna be mad at anyone be mad at capcom.
I am mad at both. How about that?
 

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Its been known for a while now that Tameen is a douche.

We had a topic about that subject before and believe it or not some of the members here could care less how much of a douche he is.

Basically the game's director can be a total douche to the fans and some of them would still buy it as long as its a good game.

But as its been said before, part of the blame lies with Capcom as well.

Anyway, nice read!
 
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CoolDemon

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Glad that you liked reading it. If you want i can point out another thing:

Notice Tameem Antoniade's necklace in this video:
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at 1:28

And also this the necklace design in this picture:
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Compare both necklace to Dante's necklace in DmC and tell me what you think.

If i am right about that the necklace of DmC Dante is a idea from Tameem himself then man that guy is really arrogant.

If i am wrong, then i must be a big asshole for being so mean against him.
 

CoolDemon

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I don't mean it's the same necklace. I mean maybe the necklace inspiration may come from Tameem. Of course it's not the two necklace Tameem has worn is not the same as DmC Dante :p

Just wondering if the idea for necklace/necklace design was from Tameem or not.
 

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i wouldn't look that far into it, alot of people are trying to imply that new dante looks exactly like tameem. okay i'll admit in the tgs 2010 trailer they did look alot of like, but i doubt capcom would let something like letting the creative director put himself into their game slide. its more than likely a coincedence that they looked alike, and now dante looks nothing like tameem, which is great if you ask me! :) alot of people wear necklaces, not just tameem is basically my point.
 

CoolDemon

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well as long as dante doesn't look like tameem anymore i'll be a happy lad, if they are really only 30% they might even tweak dante's appearance again
For 30% into the work i have to say it's pretty good. But then again i don't think Ninja theory are handeling everything by themself. I got a hunch saying Capcom is working on the Gameplay.
For me DMC ended the moment they did many changes to it. Changing who Dante is (white hair, half demon half human) , changing from "DMC" to DmC".

But if the finishers of Heavenly sword will be in the gameplay then DmC would possible fail big time because that will be a disadvantage for combos.
 

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i HOPE capcom is helping them with the combat because that's what capcom does best with the devil may cry series. i couldn't tell you its a fact, but im almost 100% positive that capcom are doing the combat, because it has been a collaboration between nt and capcom, just wished everyone would just view it like this:
capcom-great with combat, handling the combat in DmC = good
ninja theory-good with story, and art direction, handling the story and art direction in DmC = good
good + good = great....right?
 

CoolDemon

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Well it's not 100% that Capcom is working on Gameplay but i agree that's what i think too. They are using the word "overseeing" when talking about Capcoms role in Gameplay department.

I agree with you that if NT worked on story and Capcom on gameplay it could turn out to be a good game. But thing is:

1) They are using unreal engine
2) The heavenly sword finishers may ruin the gameplay experience
 
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