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What if dante was absored

devil_inside123

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So assuming sanctus made the "wise" choice and had somehow been able to absorb dante into the saviors core do you think nero would have been able to save dante or at least gotten him free of the flesh cacoon thing so he could curbstomp sanctus (this is again assuming he could capture dante in the first place. No idea how he planned on doing that)
 

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Well...

Nero being absorbed worked for the plot precisely because Nero needed an outside source of power to wake him up (Yamato) that wasn't with him when he was absorbed and could be given back to him at a moment's notice. For the plot to work the same way with Nero and Dante's places switched, it'd mean Dante has a similar connection to Yama, which he doesn't because it's not his sword, and an ability to restore it to an unbroken state, which he couldn't because it's not his sword. We don't have evidence he could do the same feat and it's presented as character-reliant: Nero's personality and arc was designed to be "Vergil With A Girlfriend". They both wanted power and were willing to send their humanity straight to Hell to do it, so they have an affinity to Yamato. Dante's in constant opposition to Vergil (literally, "[their] souls are at odds"), so their souls and their weapons don't resonate. Blah blah.

Alternately the plot would have to be that Rebellion is the Hellgate Sword (uniting both the Demon and Human worlds) and Nero keeps the Yamato on him and rocks around Fortuna with it (separating the Demon world from the Human world), gets the Rebellion over Agnus's dead body and gives it back to Dante, but that's suggesting Rebellion had any more power to give Dante before 5 went and did it, so there's no telling if anyone would buy that after Dante was impaled in 3 and got his DT and then got impaled in 4 to no effect, but, I dunno, fans bought DMC5's unintuitive "Seppuku For Sin DT" point fine, so that's a moot point.

So if Dante were absorbed, keeping everything else as-is. Nero probably wouldn't be able to save him, but Dante is presented as so absurdly OP by the point of 4 anyway that even if he got caught, he could have saved himself. What did Sanctus expect Credo, Nero, or Gloria to do, handcuff him? Ask him nicely? Have a whole pizza box lodged in one of the Savior's cores and a trail of slices leading the dude there? He had nothing that could draw him to the Savior to be caught -- evidently he didn't care that much about Sanctus having the Sparda sword, and neither did the game itself -- and Sanctus using Trish or Lady as a lure and then a meat shield to stop Dante from going all-out wouldn't have the same je ne sais quoi to it. He wouldn't get noticeably emotionally compromised seeing them in danger as Nero did Kyrie, or even as he was in 1 when Trish was held hostage by Mundus. He ain't that dude.

Overall it's too dumb a plot on Sanctus's part to argue in favor of it with anything close to good faith. Capcom tried to make Dante OP and emotionally unflappable to any villainous plot and that's their problem.
 

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Have a whole pizza box lodged in one of the Savior's cores and a trail of slices leading the dude there?
Not gonna lie, i lol'd. Then again, in series there was a guy who murdered his wife and stabbed his daughter so he can get sword and turn into ugly blob.

As for plot, Nero would've found some magical way to save him. Something involving Trish? Or maybe papa Vergil coming back from demon world and explaining something Nero couldn't figure out on his own?
 
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Not gonna lie, i lol'd. Then again, in series there was a guy who murdered his wife and stabbed his daughter so he can get sword and turn into ugly blob.

As for plot, Nero would've found some magical way to save him. Something involing Trish? Or maybe papa Vergil coming back from demon world and explaining something Nero couldn't figure out on his own?
Oh no no no, you forgot the best part of the bald guy who murdered his wife and stabbed his daughter so he can get sword and turn into an ugly blob. It's the fact that he stabbed his daughter in the leg to draw some blood, did a James Bond Villain monologue to reveal the extent of his evil plan, and then decided right after that that he would try and kill his daughter right there after all, but he spent so much time monologuing and cackling evilly that she just got up, kicked her weapon out of his hands, and pointed it at him.

But if he was going to kill her anyway, he should have just impaled her in the chest to begin with instead of stabbing her leg. Dumb villain ideas are just the thing to do, I guess!

So yeah, idk. Maybe Trish could come up with something to save Dante. But maybe it involves pizza. Or pin-ups. I think Vergil was too busy being half-dead to be coherent.
 

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Oh no no no, you forgot the best part of the bald guy who murdered his wife and stabbed his daughter so he can get sword and turn into an ugly blob. It's the fact that he stabbed his daughter in the leg to draw some blood, did a James Bond Villain monologue to reveal the extent of his evil plan, and then decided right after that that he would try and kill his daughter right there after all, but he spent so much time monologuing and cackling evilly that she just got up, kicked her weapon out of his hands, and pointed it at him.

But if he was going to kill her anyway, he should have just impaled her in the chest to begin with instead of stabbing her leg. Dumb villain ideas are just the thing to do, I guess!

So yeah, idk. Maybe Trish could come up with something to save Dante. But maybe it involves pizza. Or pin-ups. I think Vergil was too busy being half-dead to be coherent.
Are you both gonna ignore the REAL best part? That said guy dresses like a stupid clown in a leotard as a crucial part of his plan INTENTIONALLY? Like cmon he was the one making the plan and still decided he wanted to get dressed in that stupid getup
 

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Are you both gonna ignore the REAL best part? That said guy dresses like a stupid clown in a leotard as a crucial part of his plan INTENTIONALLY? Like cmon he was the one making the plan and still decided he wanted to get dressed in that stupid getup
What can I say? 3rd game has some of the best writing in series.
I am both sarcastic and for real with this comment.
 

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Are you both gonna ignore the REAL best part? That said guy dresses like a stupid clown in a leotard as a crucial part of his plan INTENTIONALLY? Like cmon he was the one making the plan and still decided he wanted to get dressed in that stupid getup
To be fair Arkham called himself out as "dressing like a complete idiot" as his Jester form but, like. He only interacted with Dante as Jester, out of two other people he could've had scenes with. So if Arkham dresses up like an idiot to fool another idiot instead of testing Vergil's patience, who he admits would have killed him if he weren't weakened from a fight, does that make Arkham smart, or dumb???

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