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So, those millions of people Vergil got killed... again.(SPOILERS)

Goldsickle

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I m not talking about the final battle but the fact that vergil want force edge to power up instead of simply training
He's already trained and powerful.
It's just how he dealt with his defeat with Dante is something I'd describe as "immature".

Blaming on his human side, rather than just acknowledging that Dante bested him and to try harder.

It's like if someone blamed his defeat on his controller, which is the exact same type his opponent uses.
His human side make him weak?
What about Dante's human side?

Vergil of all people is also the last person I'd expect to "mutate into a giant monster" as a boss.
The more I look into it, the more and more my impression of him is chipping away.
Like I said, he's not a "badly written character", it's just that I have a particular expectation of him.

Also I ask you how I should improve my post even if I don't see any problem in it
Separate your text into paragraphs instead of just typing mindlessly.
Watch how I type and how I separate my texts into paragraphs.
I know we don't remember everything we learn in school but writing wall of texts is one way to create a negative impression of yourself.

You may proceed with the "I don't see any problem with it" or tell yourself "if a staff here didn't see what's wrong, then nothing is wrong".
Continue your course in the wrong place and you may find a lot of people either hating you or not taking you seriously.
 

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Good luck with the idea Vergil deserves justice visited on his ass. Might as well say Sparda deserved it too, after serving Mundus for so long in "the war" between the human world and the demon world, and only later deciding to help humans out. How many countless humans did Sparda see enslaved or killed, before turning on his own kind and killing countless numbers of them too? And who would even visit this 'justice' on beings that are basically like demi gods at this point? You might as well say Zeus should have had his ass kicked. Who's going to "punish" the sons of Sparda?

In any case, Vergil is apathetic to the case of humans for the most part, but since Visions of V is canon he's not entirely so - he does attempt to help humans escape from the Qliphoth in the city and saves a boy and his mother from roaming packs of demons because he sees himself in them. Vergil doesn't even consider himself human, so that's an act of charity for starters, even though most of the humans just consider him a freak for having the power in the first place to help them. With that kind of treatment, it's no wonder he doesn't care. Humans are more than happy to kill demons and a demon is what he considers himself to be. Asking him to give a damn about humans as a whole when he's an almost entirely pragmatic and logical creature seeking immediate self-preservation and empowerment is futile. This is a guy who knows Mundus' minions are going to come for him someday, thanks to their grudge against Sparda, as well as most likely guessing the demon hordes/Mundus intend to rule the human world again (which is the case of course in DMC1). Even if he doesn't gain enough power to defeat Mundus himself, it still makes more than enough sense that he must gain more power, because one way or another the demons and Mundus are an ever-present threat to both himself and the human world.

Even if you argue Vergil shouldn't have raised the tower, or that Dante ended up being just as powerful without having done the same things, that's leaving aside the fact Vergil was the one who truly awakened Dante's powers, not to mention his motivation to fight. Dante got powerful in no small part thanks to Vergil's actions. Dante, if he were ever going to truly try to protect the human world from the ultimate threat, couldn't do it without the demonic power gained from the previous action of freeing and incorporating the Sparda sword... which could only have been reached by Vergil's deliberate actions.

Besides, the sons of Sparda are not human, it's shown time and again they have very little in common with humans, and humanity is fortunate even one of them cares enough to bother about them at all. In the end, both cared enough to chop down the tree and stay in the Underworld. It's a human-centric view to assume these two owe their allegiance to humanity when it's clear most humans treat them with contempt. Enzo using Dante, Lady trying to kill Dante and badmouthing him for almost the entire game of 3, the humans in the city looking down on V for helping them, even the Fortuna order were just using demons and Sparda for their own nefarious purposes... if anything Dante fights demons not for humans but just to satisfy his own sense of righteousness/revenge.

From a risk/benefit analysis perspective, the collateral damage from Vergil's actions was worth it because as a result both he and Dante ended up being uber-powerful protectors toward humanity and not enslavers.

The demon world is still there and is still full of potential Munduses desiring to rule both the Underworld and the human world someday. Better they exist in their powerful forms now than if they never had, because without them the humans do not stand a snowball's chance.
 

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Here is a really good way to whitewash Vergil from all his crimes.
Who killed the city? Urizen? or the Qlipoth?
The game says that the Qlipoth grows from hell and sucks the blood from humans to create the fruit.
Well what if the Qlipoth just randomly grows and Urizen happened to take control of it?
We see other demons like Goliath trying to eat the fruit. So there is no evidece that Urizen himself created the Qlipoth.
Well what about Urizen doing all that evil stuff? Thats Urizen. Not vergil he dont even have the same mental state.
But Vergil separated himself using the Yamato.
When Vergil separated himself he was still under Mundus's mind control and is memories were messed up again, Vergil was not in his usual mental state.
How was he STILL under Mundus's mind control? Dante beat Mundus. Yes he beat Mundus not killed Mundus. Mundus is immortal and still alive during the time when Vergil split himself.
Well if he does something like this wont he do it again?
How about no? V is actually Vergil who didnt lose his family and just wants to read poetry. V spend all that time with Nero who Vergil later acknowledged as his son. All that developement carried into Vergil. Also current Vergil would stomp Mundus into the ground so hes fine now?
The main idea here is Vergil as of now is pretty innocent if you want a legal argument about his prosecution.
 

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Here is a really good way to whitewash Vergil from all his crimes.
Who killed the city? Urizen? or the Qlipoth?
The game says that the Qlipoth grows from hell and sucks the blood from humans to create the fruit.
Well what if the Qlipoth just randomly grows and Urizen happened to take control of it?
We see other demons like Goliath trying to eat the fruit. So there is no evidece that Urizen himself created the Qlipoth.
Well what about Urizen doing all that evil stuff? Thats Urizen. Not vergil he dont even have the same mental state.
But Vergil separated himself using the Yamato.
When Vergil separated himself he was still under Mundus's mind control and is memories were messed up again, Vergil was not in his usual mental state.
How was he STILL under Mundus's mind control? Dante beat Mundus. Yes he beat Mundus not killed Mundus. Mundus is immortal and still alive during the time when Vergil split himself.
Well if he does something like this wont he do it again?
How about no? V is actually Vergil who didnt lose his family and just wants to read poetry. V spend all that time with Nero who Vergil later acknowledged as his son. All that developement carried into Vergil. Also current Vergil would stomp Mundus into the ground so hes fine now?
The main idea here is Vergil as of now is pretty innocent if you want a legal argument about his prosecution.
I do have a problem with people claiming V was just Vergil without demonic power, that implies that vergil's personality is somehow centralized entirely in his human half which I just don't believe is true. We've seen that sparda had a personality so it could be urizen just took vergil's more agressive traits with his power in the split but I believe the reformed Vergil takes just as much development from urizen as he does V, otherwise he wouldn't have the information of his mother dying while searching for him
 

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I do have a problem with people claiming V was just Vergil without demonic power, that implies that vergil's personality is somehow centralized entirely in his human half which I just don't believe is true. We've seen that sparda had a personality so it could be urizen just took vergil's more agressive traits with his power in the split but I believe the reformed Vergil takes just as much development from urizen as he does V, otherwise he wouldn't have the information of his mother dying while searching for him
Yeah almost like people only want Vergil to take the credit for what V did and not what Urizen done completely ignoring that if Vergil gotten Sparda power in 3 he would of most definitely did what Urizen has done in 5.
 
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