I Saw the Devil
I thought the whole thing was bland. They really took this 'I'm too badass to care' thing to the point of irrational with Dante. I see none of the snippets of actual emotional investment from either of them that I saw in 3. It felt like a pale, second hand, rehash.I think their bond stay present
Yeah, that gave me the face palm. You might find their rivalry stupid but I thought it was one of the more interesting aspects of the series and to have it end because Nero threw a fit seemed to trivialize the whole thing to me.but in the end the twins thanks to nero decided to put aside this stupid rivalry and fight togheter...
I know they've changed, that's the whole point of my contempt. It's not that they were the same person, not to the extent of being one entity, it's that whatever unifying metaphor having the same face gave them is gone now. Before any of this came up did any of you know that some identical twins didn't stay that way?Infact they are identical in dmc 3 but not now after more than 20 years passed from dmc 3 and they changed... They are indistinguishable in dmc 3 but in dmc 5 they are slightly different... Also this quotes in the manga doesn't want to mean that they are the same person
Also, they are, actually, they are very distinguishable in 3. Opposites but the same. Same face but blue instead of read. Swordsmen but one with a katana and the other with a broadsword. One subdued and one wild but both savage. It's both their differences and similarities that defines them.
Now you have me confused. I thought that whole point of asking for that was because that quote offered no tangible connection to them having the same face.Yes, I remember that part. However I'd argue that it was meant to be played more as a scenic dramatic effect rather than something that has actual deep significance when it comes to their relationship.
I present these things as evidence or as the source of my position: 1 is 2 official sources that indicate they have the same face, which, for whatever reason, is something a few people refuse to admit back then, but here are the sources. The other is a statement from an official capcom book that states: 'Couldn't we think of Dante and Vergil from "Devil May Cry 3" as each existing as the other's Shadow?' 'They are twins, they are one another's other-self' and 'The battle where Dante and Vergil place themselves on opposite sides is a battle with one's other self' and you tell me I arrived at the wrong conclusion, that all of that was all actually trivial. Same faces, each other's other-selves. Nope. You're reading too much into it.
Well, how much of a fuzz did you want them to make about it? It is never actually said out loud that Vergil wants power because he didn't have the power to protect his mother but it is still true and important to his character. Equally, just because it was never stated that being each other's other-self and having the same face in the same sentence doesn't mean it has not correlation. If your 'other self' has the same face as you then I hardly think that's a coincidence. Removing that, however, has made that true, and thus removed a layer of depth to it all.The scans you presented are the more convincing point, IMO. And even there, the fact that they're physically identical is only briefly mentioned, giving me no reason to think that it has the huge amount amount of significance you seem to attribute to it.
And that's fine. Believe that if you like. What right do I have to tell you otherwise? Me, on the other hand, I think there's something more profound to it, for them to both love and hate what the other represents. That having the same face makes them mirrors to each other in more than just a visual way but also in a metaphorical one because it means that trying to kill each other is more than just trying to kill each other. That it alludes to something deeper. A self loathing to their very nature. Dante who kills demons yet is part demon, Vergil who hates his humanity yet his other self embraces it so strongly. If you want to be dismissive about it, cool, I've been on the other end and I respect your stance, but I'm also not going to change mine and I consider the loss of that aspect of the characters a significant one.To me, in the entirety of the DMC story, the fact that they're brothers, rather than twin brothers, is what held the most actual meaning. The latter always came across as a scenic, "visually dramatic" device, so to speak.