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When exactly does Kylo Ren cry on-screen?

EXACTYLY!

He has sudden emotional temper tantrums caused by anger. Even Vader had those.

The cry-baby claims always bugged me. He comes off like someone who's been through abuse (lookin' at you, Snoke) and sudden outbursts of anger and irrational responses to things aren't uncommon if you've grown up in those circumstances....

My issue w/ Kylo isn't that he's some kind of crybaby...it's that he comes off as kind of an underwhelming villain, whose only appeal is mainly a visual one. Darth Maul had the same issue for the longest time, but he at least got development in CW. At this point in time, Kylo's sitting in the same uninteresting boat.

People say he's weak because he lost to Rey Not taking into account he was wounded, and conflicted due to killing his father.
Rey while inexperienced with a lightsaber, has experience with melee combat with her staff.
And he was still dominating the fight (when they got into a blade lock, she was almost crying), she only won due to letting the force guide her (Like when Luke blew up the Death Star)

The more I hear that argument from people, the more I have to question their credibility as Star Wars fans. Melee combat is not the same thing as Lightsaber combat at all...if it was, than literally anyone from a Wookie to a Tusken Raider could just pick up a saber and be proficient. Savage Oppress was excellent at staff combat, and he was still no match against proper saber duelists like Assajj or Dooku.

And anyway, that's not the reason I find him underwhelming, personally. In the wake of all the other Dark Side characters inhabiting Star Wars lore, he just came off as generic and derivative, without anything remarkable to help him stand out. Even his whole Force "imbalance" shtick has been endured by other existing characters, and with more narrative proficiency, I might add.

Maybe being a skilled melee combatant isn't enough to tackle a lightsabre duelist, alone. But you're forgetting that Rey 'tapped' into the Force, and that gave her the strength to push Kylo back. And I don't see Kylo as being weak because of it, he was just extremely conflicted. They have two more movies to build on him as a character.

Whoa whoa whoa, I did not say her experience with her staff made her 'proficient' with it. She still didn't even know what she was doing with the thing.
As I said before, and LOD pointed out above me, Rey was losing the fight before Kylo was like "You need a teacher, I can show you the ways of the Force" and Rey was like "The Force?" and she opened herself up and tapped into it

Amateurs and novices tapping into the Force to allow themselves a quick escape or a brief second to dodge an attack is nothing new for Star Wars. But amateurs and novices tapping into the Force to suddenly gain a surge in speed, strength, and finesse with a weapon that would otherwise be useless in inexperienced hands? To quote a now-deceased smuggler: "That's not how the Force works."

@LordOfDarkness Again, him losing was never my issue. His conflict is just uninteresting to me, & his pursuits & portrayal don't really stand out in comparison to villains that have come before him. If he didn't have the cross saber or the Revan mask, I'd probably remember nothing about him in the long run. And the need of two more films to add anything of interest only makes his blandness all the more apparent.

For most yes. But it's what happened.

Dude, think back to episode 4, when we're first introduced to Vader. He had even less screen time, or story to him, then Kylo does in episode 7.

Actually, I read that using the Force itself accompanied with a weapon does increase your skill and potential with that weapon. A perfect example is Rey pushing Kylo back when she taps into the Force, as it increases her strength whilst wielding the lightsabre.

@AgentRedgrave That isn't a valid comparison at all. We don't even know who or what Sith are in 4, and Vader's presence as a villain was characterized by everything he said and did as a character shrouded in mystery. Kylo has more screentime, more story, and reveals his face in one film, and STILL manages to be wildly-uninteresting.