General DMC 5 Discussion

[Foxtrot94]

Im surprised veterans aren't ranting and raving about how the void will allow novice players to be able to be stylish and thus "make it easy for them."

Why would they? The Void is just a training mode. It's not something within the combat system itself that simplifies it or strips features away from it. When that happens is when veterans get upset.

 

[berto]

but easy automatic was the thing ever since DMC3 ...

SInce 1. Easy Automatic has been a feature from the very beginning.

 

[gmc]

Easy automatic did combos for you yes, but the void could make DMC5 easy to access for new people, thus making a few combo mad veterans get bent out of shape that a noon can be better then them.

people will complain no matter what, best to just enjoy the game for yourself

 

[Ronin]

Think TGA’s the best chance for a V trailer?

 

[Stylish Nero]

Why would they? The Void is just a training mode. It's not something within the combat system itself that simplifies it or strips features away from it. When that happens is when veterans get upset.

Don't mind him he is just being sensational. If noobs can put in the time and effort to become as good if not better than the existing pros then they're not noobs anymore. So that statement is already redundant.

Think TGA’s the best chance for a V trailer?

I hope so so you can stop asking about it.

 

[BrawlMan]

Here some Japanese Dante and Nero game to tide you guys and gals over for a while.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I kinda like it.

This is the stupidest take I have ever heard in my entire life. That character has been around, with that hair, since 2010, they didn't steal the hair form a character. Hell, other characters can have that hair, too. The weapon is a gunblade, a weapon that predates the Red Queen by nearly a decade. That this is a hint at a DMC x FFXIV event is such a drastic leap I wonder if ATC saw them.

 

[Stylish Nero]

This is the stupidest take I have ever heard in my entire life. That character has been around, with that hair, since 2010, they didn't steal the hair form a character. Hell, other characters can have that hair, too. The weapon is a gunblade, a weapon that predates the Red Queen by nearly a decade. That this is a hint at a DMC x FFXIV event is such a drastic leap I wonder if ATC saw them.

Oh that is JoJo Wifi he is one of those clickbait DMCtubers (another infamous one is John Fleer) who are known to post pointless and clickbait videos (usually baseless theories or **** you already know) about DMC and DMC5 in general. Don't take anything he says seriously (or just avoid his stuff all together) as its all usually asinine.

 

[Innsmouth]

SInce 1. Easy Automatic has been a feature from the very beginning.

yep forgot about it, since DMC2 didn't had that one and I usually remain on normal difficulty in DMC1

 

[BrawlMan]

@TWOxACROSS Ignore that guy. He is known for spreading lies and misinformation. If there is anybody I do recommend about DMC videos is Random Black Gamer.

 

[Lain]

Just putting it out there but a DMC x Final Fantasy crossover would be very cool.

We've already had some pretty out there collabs already like the Terra Wars campaign in FFXV, so get on it Square/Capcom!

 

[gmc]

@TWOxACROSS Ignore that guy. He is known lies and misinformation. If there is anybody I do recommend about DMC videos is Random Black Gamer.

that guys awesome, i especially loved when he owned those drama whores, angry joe, jim and yongyea

 

[V's patron]

@Ronin
Sooner is better than later.

@Lain
Thumbs up bro. I wouldn't mind seeing Noctis's reaction to Dante.

 

[Stylish Nero]

@TWOxACROSS Ignore that guy. He is known lies and misinformation. If there is anybody I do recommend about DMC videos is Random Black Gamer.

RBG takes too long to get to subjects so by time he does its already irrelevant and you're just hearing his opinion on it. I recommend DevilNeverCry for more appropriate timely news source, more legit leaks/scoops, and plausible theories/well thought out speculation.

Plus he got a chance to actually play the game.

EDIT.

Speaking of playing the game Capcom had a public display at some Chinese convention and a Chinese pro player got a chance to play it.

He later gave his impressions of the game.

Since its in Chinese I got the translation from DMC subreddit

My English is not very good, but I will try to translate the highlights in this video because it definitely is one of the most detailed analysis of Nero's/DMC5's gameplay mechanics (and it seems it's also from a very good Chinese DMC player as well). So here we go!

At 2:41 He talks about how tight the control feel, the improvement from DMC4 to DMC5 is comparable to the old Monster Hunter to Monster Hunter: World.

At 3:39 The overall difficulty to perform some of the mechanical moves (He gives 3 example, Exceed, Jump Cancel, and Shuffle) is a bit easier, but timing is still very important in order to perform those.

At 6:53 He talks about Shuffle. The frame which you can cancel the move (after the initial back step) is a LOT easier and forgiving compere to DMC4. And you can cancel it with side roll as well.

At 7:42 Snatch has 3 levels you can upgrade just like DMC4. (So when you first start playing DMC5, the range might not be as long as the one we see in the demo)

At 8:17 Overtrue's normal move can interrupt (counter?) some enemies' and bosses' attack.

At 8:30 Breakaway has i-frame, but shorter than Nero's DT activation in DMC4. Breakaway can also be used to cancel combo/move (same as DMC4).

At 9:46 Overtrue's Breakage explosion damage is even higher than lv3 charge shot explosion damage in DMC4.

At 10:31 While Nero is riding the Punch Line, the 4 buttons A, B, X, Y (PS4 = triangle, square, cross, circle) will perform different moves. Every time Nero perform these moves, the Punch Line will get closer to the final explosion, and the damage of the explosion will get higher as well. The exhaust flame of the arm is actually an indicator of the arm's explosion damage as well as how close until the arm's final explosion. (So basically if the flame is intense = higher explosive damage / closer to the arm's final explosion)

At 11:34 Punch Line's Breakage move will not be able to interrupt/knockdown the boss if he is doing a scripted animation.

At 12:05 Gerbera's dash move has a bit of i-frame. (Probably at the start of the jump?)

At 12:27 Gerbera's ground laser move can be canceled by Breakaway at anytime. In the video, he uses Breakaway to cancel out the finishing animation of the ground laser move.

At 13:23 Comparison of the damage done between Buster Arm normal move and Buster Arm Breakage.

At 13:37 You can kinda do a "combo" with different arms. He plants the bomb first (Overtrue's breakage) to increase the Buster Arm's final damage output. (You can see the explosion of the bomb when the boss hits the ground)

At 14:26 He is explaining the reasons behind picking the arms in that particular order.

1. He uses Punch Line first to knockdown the boss and prevent the boss enters 2nd phase too early. (Hence doing more damage in the 1st phase)
2. Gerbera + indoor = awesome damage.
3. Using Overtrue's bomb to knockdown the boss before letting him enter the 2nd phase animation. (Hence less running around, more time doing damage)
4. Buster Arm to finish the job and end the fight without the need of going into 3rd phase.

At 16:34 Nero can now shoot during side roll.

At 18:21 The special dodge move can be triggered by input the side roll move when Nero is slashing enemies. And it's faster than the regular side roll (and probably better and cooler too).

At 18:43 The whole duration of Nero's air taunt has i-frame, and you can rev the sword as well.

At 21:11 Apparently, if you failed to rev the sword 4 times(?), Nero will still get a bit of energy. By accumulate this energy 4 times will grant you 1 Rev/Exceed. He thinks that a system like this can encourage new players to learn Nero's rev mechanic.

At 23:01 He is talking about the JC box of the normal enemies in the demo, and he feels that their JC box is very close to Frost in DMC4. (So that's quite forgiving)

At 23:18 Reverse attack is back! He has tested most of Nero's moves (Split, Calibur, Shuffle, etc.) and confirms that all of them can do reverse attack in DMC5! He also points out that the input change of Split makes a lot more sense now!

At 23:46 It seems that you can use right stick (camera control) to change target now. (I can't hear clearly, so not too sure about this one)

 

[BrawlMan]

RBG takes too long to get to subjects so by time he does its already irrelevant and you're just hearing his opinion on it. I recommend DevilNeverCry for more appropriate timely news source, more legit leaks/scoops, and plausible theories/well thought out speculation.

Plus he got a chance to actually play the game.

I never said RGB was perfect, just someone that is not full of bull. Plus, RBG never consider himself a news person, and even he admits most of his videos are opinion pieces. DNC is a cool guy too.

that guys awesome, i especially loved when he owned those drama whores, angry joe, jim and yongyea

Joe I stopped caring about in 2016, Jim I still like, but he goes overboard with the drama, and Yong is hypocritical about the DLC thing. Technically, all three in this case; AJ is just the worst. Jim didn't bring up DmC's or DMC4: SE's DLC, Yong was all over MGSV's dick before doing gaming news of different subjects, and the less said about Joe, the better. Yong I stopped watching, because it's almost nothing, but negative news, with barely any positives, or bittersweets.

 

[Stylish Nero]

So the Q&A live stream is in about 1 hour (maybe less). Should we make a thread for that or nah.

Originally I was going to sit this one out but this motivated me to get my ass out of bed and use this as an excuse to get some homework done tonight. Maybe if I'm lucky I can get a question of mine answered?

 

[V's patron]

 

[Innsmouth]

beat me to it

 

[Ronin]

Was there anything about V in the live stream?

 

[gmc]

Was there anything about V in the live stream?

we'll see him at the game awards