I hope DMC4:SE does more than just new characters...

[Exejpgwmv]

Because they only seem to be showing off new characters and nothing else.

Don't get me wrong, the addition of Vergil, Lady, and Trish is very nice.

It's just that, even though I liked the game, I had a lot of problems with DMC4 but none of them was that there wasn't enough playable characters.

And going through the same levels and enemy waves with different characters won't fix the ones I did have with it.

Anyone else feel the same way?

 

[Viper]

Not really, no... but then again, the only real "problem" with DMC4 I had was my own lack of skill. :blush:

 

[Foxtrot94]

Where have you been the last few months? Everything there is has already been advertised.

 

[Wajpa]

I personally did not have this problem. I would've bought SE just for Vergil anyway since I mostly care about the combat. It's one of the reasons why I like it as much as DMC3 even though it has weaker level design. It's also one of the main things which make me repeat the game countless times. The desire to get better and more stylish is in my opinion the thing which grants the game such great replay value.

 

[Foxtrot94]

The desire to get better and more stylish is in my opinion the thing which grants the game such great replay value.

Well, that's what DMC is about.

 

[Quentarus]

When I saw that they are doing something to bring Virgil back to DMC4 I am having a bit of a hope that they are going to create a side story to bring him back to life, and explain how he is Nero's father. But this is just a fanboy's hopes, Y'know?

 

[Exejpgwmv]

Where have you been the last few months? Everything there is has already been advertised.

Really?
I haven't seen any new difficulties, changes to enemy behavior, or changes to level design or enemy waves. Or even changes to Dante and Nero's gameplay.

But if they've released like a list for stuff like that, then I'd like to see it.

I would've bought SE just for Vergil anyway since I mostly care about the combat.

Most of the problems I had with DMC4 were gameplay related.

Like, tweaking certain moves, giving some moves more properties, changing hit boxes, new difficulties, a training mode, etc etc.

 

[Wajpa]

Most of the problems I had with DMC4 were gameplay related.

Like, tweaking certain moves, giving some moves more properties, changing hit boxes, new difficulties, a training mode, etc etc.

Ah, okay. Well, we don't know what the "small gameplay changes" mean yet as far as I know but there doesn't appear to be any of the things you listed. Still, there's always SpoilerAl and the new characters are looking really cool.

 

[Chancey289]

I personally did not have this problem. I would've bought SE just for Vergil anyway since I mostly care about the combat. It's one of the reasons why I like it as much as DMC3 even though it has weaker level design. It's also one of the main things which make me repeat the game countless times. The desire to get better and more stylish is in my opinion the thing which grants the game such great replay value.

Then you can be satisfied paying money for just Bloody Palace. Just excuse the rest of us for actually wanting a better full game out of a game.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I actually like Devil May Cry. Which is why I want it to be as good as it can be. DMC 4 is not that. It's a recycled mess of a game that I wanted to love, but it stumbles all over the place and craps the bed.

Seriously, I don't understand why DMC 4 has a sudden turn around of appreciation when the overall consensus was that it sucked around the time it came out. This Special Edition actually had the chance to fix some of the glaring problems, and I never thought it was even gonna get that chance, but all they do is add extra characters and I could care less about Vergil. I ain't creaming my jeans.

So there you go, you now have even more tediousness, but with some new people. That's it. THAT'S FREAKIN IT. I mean, yea I like Trish and Lady, but I don't play just Bloody Palace when it comes to Devil May Cry! That's all this game is worth. This is freaking DLC content sold back to you as another copy of the game you probably already own.

UGH. Yes, I am raging for once. DMC 4 is terrible. It isn't redeemed with this special edition. And I was hoping it would win me over. That's what makes me even more mad. I was let down by this game TWICE. I never thought that would happen.

 

[Foxtrot94]

Then you can be satisfied paying money for just Bloody Palace. Just excuse the rest of us for actually wanting a better full game out of a game.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I actually like Devil May Cry. Which is why I want it to be as good as it can be. DMC 4 is not that. It's a recycled mess of a game that I wanted to love, but it stumbles all over the place and craps the bed.

Seriously, I don't understand why DMC 4 has a sudden turn around of appreciation when the overall consensus was that it sucked around the time it came out. This Special Edition actually had the chance to fix some of the glaring problems, and I never thought it was even gonna get that chance, but all they do is add extra characters and I could care less about Vergil. I ain't creaming my jeans.

So there you go, you now have even more tediousness, but with some new people. That's it. THAT'S FREAKIN IT. I mean, yea I like Trish and Lady, but I don't play just Bloody Palace when it comes to Devil May Cry! That's all this game is worth. This is freaking DLC content sold back to you as another copy of the game you probably already own.

UGH. Yes, I am raging for once. DMC 4 is terrible. It isn't redeemed with this special edition. And I was hoping it would win me over. That's what makes me even more mad. I was let down by this game TWICE. I never thought that would happen.

Here.

It's good for you trust me

But anyway even though DMC4 is basically half a game in terms of content, people like it because combat wise, it's the peak of the genre. It encourages experimentation more than any other DMC game and it is the deepest and most stylish one with all the stuff you can pull off, and for hardcore players, the degree of technical skill required to perform certain techniques is very rewarding while the game still makes possible for newbies like me back then to pull off cool combos.
And the SE promises to expand on that a little further, that's why it generally is being seen positively.

It's no mystery really, stylish tournaments involving DMC4 have kept existing since its release and never stopped.

Now, if the game had that combat system AND, say, the epicness and awesomeness of DMC3 it would have been another story, yeah...

 

[scionicspectre]

Compared to most rereleases, it's a damn good deal. Here's what DMC 4: SE would be if it were a typical remaster.

40 USD
An extra costume for Nero or Dante
1080p & 60 FPS (already was)
*cough*Physical copy*cough*

Even Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition gave people a lot more than a typical rerelease, and we're getting a ton more this time around. Three new playable characters, including expanded combat for those returning, four new cutscenes, costumes and recolors for each character, and minor gameplay improvements besides.

Each of those characters are individually more than you would expect from a typical remaster. And we're getting it at 25 USD! Like, seriously, if you guys complain this much about Special Edition, just imagine how much more you should complain about all other remasters. When a company goes out of its way to improve the situation, they should be praised for it, not scorned for failing to remake half of the game.

If they didn't make Trish or Lady but did include new missions, that would have been the lazy decision. Instead, they wanted to add just a bit more value. I think I'm happy with that. Of course we all want more, but that doesn't mean we can't appreciate what we're getting. That also doesn't mean we can't complain about a digital-only release, but we shouldn't despise the game in its entirety for the lack of one desired feature despite the others.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

Compared to most rereleases, it's a damn good deal. Here's what DMC 4: SE would be if it were a typical remaster.

40 USD
An extra costume for Nero or Dante
1080p & 60 FPS (already was)
*cough*Physical copy*cough*

Even Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition gave people a lot more than a typical rerelease, and we're getting a ton more this time around. Three new playable characters, including expanded combat for those returning, four new cutscenes, costumes and recolors for each character, and minor gameplay improvements besides.

But that's what I'm afraid of.
One of the reasons I admire DmC Definitive Edition so much is because it addressed almost every single criticism thrown at the vanilla game, and it shows.

If DMC4 SE doesn't address any of the complaints about DMC4 and just adds new characters with a few game play tweaks, then I'd personally have to say that they kind a lamed it out with the remaster.

 

[Foxtrot94]

But that's what I'm afraid of.
One of the reasons I admire DmC Definitive Edition so much is because it addressed almost every single criticism thrown at the vanilla game, and it shows.

If DMC4 SE doesn't address any of the complaints about DMC4 and just adds new characters with a few game play tweaks, then I'd personally have to say that they kind a lamed it out with the remaster.

True but it's also true that the problems DmC had required just some programming tweaks, unlike DMC4. DmC was way easier to fix. Granted, some of the core problems of DmC still remains even with the DE.

DMC4 required a complete rebuild of the second half of the game, which requires a lot of work and was crazy to ask for from a simple Special Edition. If someone expected that, it was unrealistic to begin with.

 

[scionicspectre]

just adds new characters

If you can't see why this alone is more work than was done on DmC: DE, I don't think I can convince you. Writing damage and style modifiers into the code for the new difficulties, adding lock-on, and designing enemy layouts for Vergil's Bloody Palace don't compare at all when it comes to work load. Nearly everything I read in the changelog was numerical tweaks, which are important but not even comparable to creating characters with story and unique gameplay.

The backtracking, story, and tutorials are the only significant complaints people had about DMC 4: SE that I'm aware of. To improve anything but the tutorials would be incredibly difficult and potentially cause more backlash due to overwriting what fans already liked. Adding a few extra missions here or there that have nothing to do with the story is the only thing I could think of that wouldn't enrage fans when it comes to that.

If it came to having Vergil, Lady, and Trish, or removing backtracking for Dante, I would definitely choose Vergil, Lady, and Trish. Those kinds of fixes would give you such short-term benefits and you would forget about them in about a month. You wouldn't experience them on a continual basis as you would 3 new characters.

 

[Foxtrot94]

New playable characters may not be good enough for you, but it definitely is for me. And there will be new Vergil cut scenes set during his visit to Fortuna. More than enough to get me excited.

All I need is $400 to buy a PS4 :'(.

Honestly, why don't pick it up for PC? DMC4 runs on pretty much every machine and the SE is beefed up just a little bit. Plus, mods.

 

[scionicspectre]

All I need is $400 to buy a PS4 :'(.

I love my PS4, but I'd say upgrade your computer to run it if possible. You could easily scrap together something capable of playing this for less than 400 USD. Of course, if you want more than just the one game, a PS4 is still a good investment especially if you consider how many timeless console-exclusive games we'll be seeing over the next few years.

 

[scionicspectre]

I'm not a PC gamer. It would probably take me forever to get acclimated to playing games with a keyboard. And I will only play DMC on a PlayStation console.

Fair enough- I can totally respect that as a PlayStation lover myself. I've been using the DualShock 4 to play DMC 4 on my PC for quite a while, in fact, and the Xbox button prompts always kill me.

 

[Kusanagi7]

I'd love to pick it up on pc except i only have a laptop that runs 5x as slow as a cheap pc

 

[Demi-fiend]

Seriously, I don't understand why DMC 4 has a sudden turn around of appreciation when the overall consensus was that it sucked around the time it came out.

I do.

And it reeks of contrarianism.

 

[scionicspectre]

I wasn't around here when DMC 4 came out- all I know is that the press reviewed it favorably and my friends and I absolutely loved it. We knew what a DMC game was supposed to be and it surpassed our expectations.

In retrospect, I definitely like DMC 3 more than DMC 4 overall (even without playable Vergil), but 4 is still an awesome game that added a lot to the franchise. So this isn't a turn around in appreciation for me or anyone I know personally. It's just icing on the cake. I don't speak for anyone else, obviously, but I think I should try to represent this side of things.