Dante's Sexual Orientation

[LysseC]

Well, I can understand your desire for a little more light being shed on Dante's past, but the problem is that this is not the scope of the intro. The intro just aims at presenting Dante as he is is now. Like saying "Ok, this is the man you're going to deal with for this story. This is the situation now."
The reasons why he ended up like this can be explained later in the game, maybe with flashbacks like the one you suggested.

 

[Alittleacorn]

To be honest DmC's opening served no very great purpose. Notice GREAT.
There was little portrayal of Dante's horrible past with demons. We never saw how Dante became a loner. All we saw was someone telling us "I became a loner", and then a picture of rebel going on and Dante in midst of it.

So with that said that opening was a little unecessary considering i rather want to see how Dante was lied to by demons or humans for that matter. Here is a dialogue example of how Dante may have become like he became.




To really watch a story, not just be told.
My example is just a way to illustrate my point, it's not by any means a good example.

I wish the introduction had shown more of Dante as a child struggling through life with demons in it, the rebel teen years when he was in the slammers, up to where he came to be as an adult in the intro. I'd of rather of had that than Mundus talking on the phone to the President as the first thing I saw [that definitely should've been later on in the game.] that and it would've left you more in the dark to why all those messages were coming up before like 'Follow Him' and why people were bleeding from the eyes. They gave away way too much in those first few minutes with Mundus because 1. We know Mundus is looking for Dante and 2. What Mundus's motive is [a.k.a ripping out Dante's heart].

Sometimes it's just better to let a viewer try and figure it out on their own before the reveal.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Lyssec is right, this can be explained later on.
But i just thought that Kat and Dante went through "What's your story", that it was that.

 

[Chancey289]

Lyssec is right, this can be explained later on.
But i just thought that Kat and Dante went through "What's your story", that it was that.

So just make DmC way more story driven so you get to put emphasis on the flashbacks of the past and then you'd probably come in and start complaining "Why is there so much story this is a suppose to be a Devil May Cry and it's suppose to be all about the action!"

I don't need the story to treat me like a baby when trying to give me an idea to what Dante's past was like. You can connect the dots yourself and figure out just what kind of life he's had up until that point by just looking at the stuff he's doing. What do you know about him so far?
-he lives a care free life and does whatever the hell he wants
-he had a rather rough upbringing
-he's been to Limbo before and it was nothing new to him so getting attacked by demons just seems like the norm
-just that quick run when Dante and Kat were at the Virility factor is enough to go on to get an idea of the kind of life he's been living. The life of a rebel and an outsider. Not a life of luxury Vergil had a chance to experience.

As for Kat you also know Dante can relate to her because her life was also ruined thanks to demons. They share a mutual connection because of that. And you can only imagine how much Kat been through up until that point where she just gave minor details and avoided very harsh scenarios. She had to kill her stepfather. Do you not think that was enough? Or do you want to see the scenes of torture and abuse for some reason instead of playing the game?

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

There is one thing DmC never impressed me. Making me believe that Dante was this poor person who had suffered so much.

Not everyone hated him.
Infact he had sex with strippers. Surely that is sign that he wasnt treated as a complete parasite by everyone.

And why is Dante this "poor guy", when Kat a human was mistreated as well?

And what about rest of humans who tried to fight demons or knew of them? Weren't tjhey also mistreated and suffered alot?

Just using "demons was after killing Dante" as if that makes Dante a poor helpless guy whos being tormented is really weak. Considering Dante seemed to have alot of freedom. Freedom to be in a strip club and drink.
And it seems like Dante wasnt perscuted very intensely if Kat had to lecture Dante about how strong the hunter demon is.

I'm sure that DmC Dante had a rough childhood, but there was barely scenes of this.

His mother was killed? So was DMC Dantes.
DMC Dante even lost his brother. Did Dante stop trusting people justb ecause he lost his mother and brother and was a target for demons? No.

DmC Dante had a rough childhood yeah. Not saying he didn't. But i read alot of comments of people blowing his childhood out of proportion as if he was the only character who did, and that he is a "special case".

Kat's childhood was more spesific and better portrayed. "My fosterfather was a demon and he abused me".
Dante "When the people you trust turns out to be demons".

Right...

Speaking of Kat's childhood, her fosterfather abusing her and her going into spirit form could have been shown while she talked. But this is a very minor thing as Kat's not the main character.

 

[Loopy]

There is one thing DmC never impressed me. Making me believe that Dante was this poor person who had suffered so much.

Not everyone hated him.
Infact he had sex with strippers. Surely that is sign that he wasnt treated as a complete parasite by everyone.
You mean the ones in the intro cutscene? Those strippers were working for Lilith at her club, they were ordered to go with Dante and stay with him so that the hunter demon could find where Dante lived.

And why is Dante this "poor guy", when Kat a human was mistreated as well?
They're both eqyally like that, but at least Kat was taken in by Vergil and allowed into The Order. She got some kind of stability and meaning from that while Dante was living in a trailer by himself just killing time till a demon finally got him.

And what about rest of humans who tried to fight demons or knew of them? Weren't tjhey also mistreated and suffered alot?
Maybe and maybe not. Some might have suffered direct abuse from demons, others might have woken up from demon brainwashing and decided to take a stand.

Just using "demons was after killing Dante" as if that makes Dante a poor helpless guy whos being tormented is really weak. Considering Dante seemed to have alot of freedom. Freedom to be in a strip club and drink.
And it seems like Dante wasnt perscuted very intensely if Kat had to lecture Dante about how strong the hunter demon is.
Not just that he is being chased by demons all his life, but how empty his life is. He's wasting his life away on drink and strippers because his life has no meaning. He's screwing chicks who want paying for it instead of liking him, or chicks who are sent to track him for demons.
Dante does say to Vergil that he coped with his personal issues of not beloning by just having meaningless sex and drinking his life away.
They guy had no family, no one to take him in and watch his back, no parental love....turned to meaningless, loveless sex with strippers and drank to deal with it....so he is pitiable in a way.


I'm sure that DmC Dante had a rough childhood, but there was barely scenes of this.
I don't know if it needed to be shown in detail, but it was mentioned and shown in ways. It's up to the viewer to put the pieces together. Not everything in a game has to be the gamer being 'held by the hand' to explaine very detail. Surely a gamer is able to work out a character's past from details given. I wouldn't like it if the whole game was full of explaining.

His mother was killed? So was DMC Dantes.
DMC Dante even lost his brother. Did Dante stop trusting people justb ecause he lost his mother and brother and was a target for demons? No.
This DmC Dante is a lot younger. He's going to deal with it differently. Plus we don't know what classic Dante went through, but I'd say his childhood might have been just as dark. But as classic Dante is older when we see him in DMC, he's learned to cope. As for DMC3 Dante, he shares some behaviour with DmC Dante. Both of them feel the loss of family, and both have a sort of party lifestyle/ don't give a damn attitude to cope with it. Just because they act like that doesn't mean they don't feel the loss of their mother. They just cope with it by partying and hiding behind this wall they put up. For DmC Dante it's acting like a bit of a douche and DMC3 Dante is more not giving a damn brashness.

DmC Dante had a rough childhood yeah. Not saying he didn't. But i read alot of comments of people blowing his childhood out of proportion as if he was the only character who did, and that he is a "special case".
Kat had it rough too, and what's hinted at with her was pretty terrible. But with Dante there are more hints to what happened, such as during the Bob fight when he's talking about the youth detention centres and prison, and the gang life. For me they both had a really bad start to life and both are equal. Neither of them should be 'special cases' like comparing one against the other. They both had bad lives.

Kat's childhood was more spesific and better portrayed. "My fosterfather was a demon and he abused me".
Dante "When the people you trust turns out to be demons".
Same thing really. Kat was supposed to trust that guy, but he turned out to not only be a demon but an abuser. In the Vergil comic she's living on the street.
Dante is dumped in demon run orphanages where he was probably abused, certainly had nearly been killed. Bob fight alludes to this and the picture of young Dante with the demon head. Each time he runs away, he is caught and put through the same thing again. More abouse and pain. Then he ends up in more youth detention centres run by demons, joins a gang and does who knows what to get by and then ends up in that Hellfire prison. His life until the start of the game is a long list of abandonment, torture, abuse and broken trust by care workers who turned out to be demons.
In the deleted dialogue that has been uncovered there was also sexual abuse hinted at in those orphanages...glad that wasn't included.
So all in all, Dante did have it really rough, and it's no wonder he has issues of trust and not wanting to build relationships with people when they just abuse or abandon him.

Right...

Speaking of Kat's childhood, her fosterfather abusing her and her going into spirit form could have been shown while she talked. But this is a very minor thing as Kat's not the main character.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Having "loveless sex" with strippers isn't a pitiful thing. If anything Hollywood Teen movies show you it is that having loveless sex is great.

Now where is it shown that Dante paid the strippers to have sex with him? And that Lilith ordered the strippers to find out where Dante lived?

 

[Alittleacorn]

Having "loveless sex" with strippers isn't a pitiful thing. If anything Hollywood Teen movies show you it is that having loveless sex is great.

Now where is it shown that Dante paid the strippers to have sex with him? And that Lilith ordered the strippers to find out where Dante lived?

I don't think it does, it's more like those strippers came with him willingly without any payment involved. They weren't hired to track down where Dante lived, but there were demon collaborators in the club [people with the bleeding eyes, even some of the dancing angels] and he was followed by that way, as like Kat said "you were careless, you left a trail".

 

[Loopy]

Having "loveless sex" with strippers isn't a pitiful thing. If anything Hollywood Teen movies show you it is that having loveless sex is great.
That is Hollywood. Hollwood is fanatsy land, and not all films from there glorify that behaviour. If you think like an adult, then you'd know that after a while loveless sex is pointless and quite sad. But of course this depends on the person. Others might like to go from one meaningless encounter to another. It's up to interpretation. But would anyone be happy getting so drunk that you don't know what you did or whith who, or that they slept with you without any feelings?

In the case of Dante, if you read into his character, he says he did it just to get rid of the emptyness he was feeling, that sense of not belonging, so he slept with chicks to cope. They didn't love him, and I don't think he cared about that, he just wanted that momentary good feeling from sex and kept on doing it to get that feeling, but the more you do it, the less it feels good. So he gets drunk as well, so drunk that he's hungover and can't remember much. His life's like a walking disaster without meaning, belonging or affection.

Now where is it shown that Dante paid the strippers to have sex with him? And that Lilith ordered the strippers to find out where Dante lived?

That's normally what you do. You pay to go to a club and you pay the ladies there whatever they want to give you a dance or sex. That's what happens.
If you look on the walls of the club there are security cameras following him and the walls have messages like 'follow him' and 'track him'. They were ordered by something to go to where Dante lived, just long enough for the hunter demon to be on Dante's trail.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Hollywood movie affects people. Whether they are good or bad it does.
And personally i dont see how loveless sex is pitiful.

If you go through a life with it - yes it's pitiful.

And if two parts, a female and a male or two females or two males, agree that they just want to have pleasure : for fun.

They then have sex.

Whos to say it's pitiful or a negative thing?

Both were clear on what they wanted. Both had pleasure.
Both satisified.

 

[Loopy]

Hollywood movie affects people. Whether they are good or bad it does.
And personally i dont see how loveless sex is pitiful.
But that's you....It's down to different opinions.

If you go through a life with it - yes it's pitiful.
That's what I mean. It just seems that Dante picks up girls, gets really drunk and doesn't have a clue what happened after. He says about it in the comic too, so he's been doing it for a while.

And if two parts, a female and a male or two females or two males, agree that they just want to have pleasure : for fun.
Depends how it's agreed. If it's under the influence of alcohol, like with Dante being drunk, it can lead to regret in the morning...not to mention a hangover

They then have sex.

Whos to say it's pitiful or a negative thing?

Both were clear on what they wanted. Both had pleasure.
Both satisified.

It's momentary satisfation. You need to keep chasing sex with different partners in different ways to get the same high, otherwise the pleasure reward becomes less and less. Dante's just chasing meaningless pleasure which will start to get boring if it carries on like that.

 

[Chancey289]

There is one thing DmC never impressed me. Making me believe that Dante was this poor person who had suffered so much.

Not everyone hated him.
Infact he had sex with strippers. Surely that is sign that he wasnt treated as a complete parasite by everyone.

And why is Dante this "poor guy", when Kat a human was mistreated as well?

And what about rest of humans who tried to fight demons or knew of them? Weren't tjhey also mistreated and suffered alot?

Just using "demons was after killing Dante" as if that makes Dante a poor helpless guy whos being tormented is really weak. Considering Dante seemed to have alot of freedom. Freedom to be in a strip club and drink.
And it seems like Dante wasnt perscuted very intensely if Kat had to lecture Dante about how strong the hunter demon is.

I'm sure that DmC Dante had a rough childhood, but there was barely scenes of this.

His mother was killed? So was DMC Dantes.
DMC Dante even lost his brother. Did Dante stop trusting people justb ecause he lost his mother and brother and was a target for demons? No.

DmC Dante had a rough childhood yeah. Not saying he didn't. But i read alot of comments of people blowing his childhood out of proportion as if he was the only character who did, and that he is a "special case".

Kat's childhood was more spesific and better portrayed. "My fosterfather was a demon and he abused me".
Dante "When the people you trust turns out to be demons".

Right...

Speaking of Kat's childhood, her fosterfather abusing her and her going into spirit form could have been shown while she talked. But this is a very minor thing as Kat's not the main character.

Dante isn't some pity party seeking kind of guy. He's no emo. And what do you know, JUST LIKE THE OLDER DANTE!

You're asking for DmC Dante to now be some kind of depressed dude who will dwell on his past and complain? If he did that you'd probably start complaining about that and the "emo Dante" claim would actually hold relevance. Why don't you just stop. You just hate everything about the new version of Dante and quite frankly for no real reason. Quit scrapping so much for things to complain about especially since you are failing at proving your point.

The original Dante has about as much complexity as a coloring book and is about as compelling as a piece of sandpaper. He is one of the most generic and simple video game characters in gaming history. I think fan perception of his character puts him in a better light than his actual reality. Hell his original motivation for doing what he does can be simply chalked up as revenge seeking. He says it out right in DMC 1 and is clearly searching for the demons who killed his parents. DmC Dante whether you like what they did with him are not is a more well rounded character.

I can buy Dante is the way he is because of his rough upbringing and could even see where an attitude like that comes from. I don't need to see the scenes out right. I'm not an idiot. Sometimes when people are put through so much and experience so much hate or neglect they just come to the point where they just don't care anymore. Quite frankly from personal experience I can see where that comes from. I didn't go off acting like Dante but I sure as hell cut off all connection to that person who obviously wants nothing to do with me and it's just better that way. Makes sense to me. I rather live my life then dwell on bad memories because that's going to get me nowhere. What's done is done.

Basically how Dante is. He just doesn't care anymore and rather not dwell on it. You can probably say his cocky attitude is how he copes with it all. He's got his own version of therapy. That also included just getting laid. Can't really blame him. Doesn't matter.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

To be honest DmC's opening served no very great purpose. Notice GREAT.

Kind of did. It showed how Dante throws his life away and mask his pain and loniness with alchohol and sex. How's that any different then Dante having to show off how cool he is in DMC3? He doesn't need to over exaggerate his moves, but he does it anyway.

There was little portrayal of Dante's horrible past with demons. We never saw how Dante became a loner. All we saw was someone telling us "I became a loner", and then a picture of rebel going on and Dante in midst of it.

It's already explained and seen that Dante's life was a strange mix of running from demons, fighting demons, and just living a crazy life. Kind of like a pirate's life of killing, sex, and drinking.

So with that said that opening was a little unecessary considering i rather want to see how Dante was lied to by demons or humans for that matter. Here is a dialogue example of how Dante may have become like he became.




To really watch a story, not just be told.
My example is just a way to illustrate my point, it's not by any means a good example.

I actually blame Capcom for that. NT probably wanted to show more, but Capcom limited them because they didn't want DmC to be too long of a story, and wanted to keep it close to DMC, which sucks because DMC has terrible backstory skills.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Loopy there isnt any evidence as far i can see that Dante paid the strippers for sex and also That strippers followed Liliths orders. The demons in club watched Dante.
And when Dante was on the road with strippers, Malice said on road "Follow him".
.

If the strippers worked for Lilith why did it take over 6 hours for the hunter to get to the trailer?

so strippers working for lilith when they went with Dante? No
Now do u have any proof of paid sex other than thats what goes around in clubs in real life? cuz i dont see Dante paying the girls or any hint of it. If u do tell me where or what.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Loopy there isnt any evidence as far i can see that Dante paid the strippers for sex and also That strippers followed Liliths orders. The demons in club watched Dante.
And when Dante was on the road with strippers, Malice said on road "Follow him".
.

If the strippers worked for Lilith why did it take over 6 hours for the hunter to get to the trailer?

so strippers working for lilith when they went with Dante? No
Now do u have any proof of paid sex other than thats what goes around in clubs in real life? cuz i dont see Dante paying the girls or any hint of it. If u do tell me where or what.

They weren't paid. They were probably demons in disguise. And you don't know how many hours passed since Dante left the club. Maybe he was at that club around 3:00 in the morning and the sun rises early in Limbo City.

And don't be suprised that Dante had sex with demons. He's had sex with angels so I'm not surprised.

 

[Chancey289]

Loopy there isnt any evidence as far i can see that Dante paid the strippers for sex and also That strippers followed Liliths orders. The demons in club watched Dante.
And when Dante was on the road with strippers, Malice said on road "Follow him".
.

If the strippers worked for Lilith why did it take over 6 hours for the hunter to get to the trailer?

so strippers working for lilith when they went with Dante? No
Now do u have any proof of paid sex other than thats what goes around in clubs in real life? cuz i dont see Dante paying the girls or any hint of it. If u do tell me where or what.

Those strippers weren't hookers. Dante just has game as is able to land girls in his bed. Quit scrapping for more things to complain about. You fail to level anything you say about DmC with the previous ones and just bury yourself in a deeper hole of delusion, denial, and clear bias blind fanboyism. I'd give you more credit if you'd be honest and say you just hate everything DmC but don't go around blabbering even more nonsense when you can hardly even validate your points. You just keep talking hardly thinking.

 

[LysseC]

There is one thing DmC never impressed me. Making me believe that Dante was this poor person who had suffered so much.

Not everyone hated him.
Infact he had sex with strippers. Surely that is sign that he wasnt treated as a complete parasite by everyone.

And why is Dante this "poor guy", when Kat a human was mistreated as well?

And what about rest of humans who tried to fight demons or knew of them? Weren't tjhey also mistreated and suffered alot?

Just using "demons was after killing Dante" as if that makes Dante a poor helpless guy whos being tormented is really weak. Considering Dante seemed to have alot of freedom. Freedom to be in a strip club and drink.
And it seems like Dante wasnt perscuted very intensely if Kat had to lecture Dante about how strong the hunter demon is.

I'm sure that DmC Dante had a rough childhood, but there was barely scenes of this.

His mother was killed? So was DMC Dantes.
DMC Dante even lost his brother. Did Dante stop trusting people justb ecause he lost his mother and brother and was a target for demons? No.

DmC Dante had a rough childhood yeah. Not saying he didn't. But i read alot of comments of people blowing his childhood out of proportion as if he was the only character who did, and that he is a "special case".

Kat's childhood was more spesific and better portrayed. "My fosterfather was a demon and he abused me".
Dante "When the people you trust turns out to be demons".

Right...

Speaking of Kat's childhood, her fosterfather abusing her and her going into spirit form could have been shown while she talked. But this is a very minor thing as Kat's not the main character.

Dante grew up in an orphanage which was run by demons. Who probably mistreated him. That's something you cannot just forget.
The fact that other characters had a difficult past doesn't deny that DmC Dante had one too. DMC Dante and DmC Dante react differently, and you can say that you prefer old Dante's reaction, but you cannot for that reason just shrug new Dante's difficulties off.
Kat had her difficulties, but Dante had too. Both their pasts merit pity.
And Dante says that he has sex because he needs the thrill to forget his sensation of losing control. That means that sex for him is not just a fun, but carries with it bad feelings and sensations. It's not only a problem of loveless sex, which can be playful, but a problem of using sex to numb bad sensations.

Edit: and please, Chancey, don't go so rough on IncarnatedDemon. She is trying to make her opinion and giving some arguments to support it, not just going all hater. And she seems willing to accept different opinions and debate. There is nothing wrong in that, on the contrary, it merits praise. I often disagree with what she says, but I reply with kindness and we have quite enjoyable and interesting debates.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

ur right i dont. But my point was if strippers worked for demons y did it take so long for hunter demon or any top demon to appear?
and no they werent in disguise. Dante threw bottle at a demon in club.

 

[Loopy]

Loopy there isnt any evidence as far i can see that Dante paid the strippers for sex and also That strippers followed Liliths orders. The demons in club watched Dante.
And when Dante was on the road with strippers, Malice said on road "Follow him".
I said after that something in the club was wanting Dante to be followed, and because those girls went with him, I assumed it was them that were supposed to be following. I don't know what else could be following, aside from the hunter demon. But I figured those girls were unwittingly leading that demon to where Dante lived.

If the strippers worked for Lilith why did it take over 6 hours for the hunter to get to the trailer?
Isn't that nitpicky. He's a huge demon....could be slow. Or waiting for the right moment....I have no idea:lol:
so strippers working for lilith when they went with Dante? No
They were in her club, so she must employ them in some fashion. Unless they just turn up without her knowing, and she would know because the bouncer has a list of people to let in.
Now do u have any proof of paid sex other than thats what goes around in clubs in real life? cuz i dont see Dante paying the girls or any hint of it. If u do tell me where or what.

I was going by what usually happens with that sort of transaction. Sexual favours for money. But Dante is popular with girls at the club as mentioned by others here, so they went with him for him. Or as Dragonmaster said, they could be demons in disguise, so it would be in their interest to track an enemy of Mundus.

 

[Chancey289]

I was going by what usually happens with that sort of transaction. Sexual favours for money. But Dante is popular with girls at the club as mentioned by others here, so they went with him for him. Or as Dragonmaster said, they could be demons in disguise, so it would be in their interest to track an enemy of Mundus.

Dante is obviously popular with the girls. When he went to fight Lillith there was a girl going up to him happy to see him but Dante shrugged her off because there were more important things to deal with at the time.